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In view of the faddy diet threads springing up on Gransnet...

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jinglbellsfrocks Sun 22-Mar-15 23:12:07

...may I respectfully request anyone thinking of following anything like this, to just read, carefully, this article put out by our own NHS.

I think it is very important.

losing weight the sensible way

Anya Mon 23-Mar-15 12:41:51

I seem to have more energy jingl AND a big plus I'm sleeping better (except on Saturday night when I swapped the grape for the grain and woke up a headache).

Anya Mon 23-Mar-15 12:42:06

^with

whitewave Mon 23-Mar-15 12:43:51

rosethanks for that my trouble is that I hate bothering the Dr. when I think I can sort myself out. But I suppose I could go down. I have gone in the past and Have been told it was stress, overdoing it, poor diet etc etc so have gone along with that. Lately I have been taking vit.b plus iron plus vit d and my mouth ulcers are so much better so I do wonder if my gut is not absorbing properly and the extra helps. Shan't go into the other symptoms but be good if I could find the answer.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 23-Mar-15 13:00:28

Anya I can't say anything to that without seeming patronising, but please think of your arteries.

Btw if your innards are working as well now in your sixties as they were in your twenties, you have obviously discovered the elixir of youth. So you will be fine. grin

CariGransnet (GNHQ) Mon 23-Mar-15 13:28:56

Big fan of the eat less, move more, everything in moderation lifestyle.

Anya Mon 23-Mar-15 13:40:45

jingl I acceot that you are genuinely concerned about my arteries, which is kind of you. So I will have a cholesterol test in two weeks to check it is not rising.

That seems a sensible option, n'est-ce pas?

However I do have to add that when Mr Anya was pre-diabetic I put him on a very similar type of low carb diet with the blessing of his GP and after 6 weeks his blood glucose was back to normal. His BP and cholesterol are controlled by medication anyway so can't comment on how these were affected, apart from there was no rise in either.

Anya Mon 23-Mar-15 13:41:44

PS I'm not on any medication myself

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 23-Mar-15 14:04:48

Yes Cari. Including a bit of cake and the odd golden syrup sarnie at weekends. grin

Anya I haven't a clue about cholesterol. I just keep 'low fat' in my head - for five days a week. You will feel better if you are losing weight (so long as you are overweight to start off with) but I say, do it safely.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 23-Mar-15 14:06:47

[roast chicken] which, being interpreted, (in this instance) means, walking shoes on.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 23-Mar-15 14:07:15

roastchicken

Mamie Mon 23-Mar-15 14:11:51

After a year of the high-fat low-carb diet we have both seen a big drop in cholesterol levels. OH has been taken off statins and the figures have remained low. It is fair to say we don't overdo the fat, but we eat butter, cheese, fatty meat whenever we like. We eat masses of vegetables and salad and moderate amounts of fruit.
Of course we do live in the country that has the highest saturated fat consumption in Europe and the lowest deaths from coronary heart disease.
Anyone care to explain the so-called French paradox?
We have never eaten huge amounts and we get a lot of exercise - 32 vegetable beds anyone? The only difference is that since the beginning of last year we have cut out sugar (and we have never eaten much of that) and white carbs and have reduced portion size, because the food we eat now fills us up more.
Weight loss has been sustained and gentle over more than a year.
I am at a loss to see how anyone can think that this is anything other than a good thing.
Perhaps I am missing something?

janeainsworth Mon 23-Mar-15 14:29:30

You're not missing anything Mamie smile
The truth is that the development of coronary artery disease is far more complex than dietary fat = atheromatous plaques on the insides of your arteries.
Could the French paradox be due in some part to the therapeutic effect of red wine do you think? wink

Mamie Mon 23-Mar-15 14:50:15

I hope so!
I think that generally people do eat in moderation here. I used to think that nobody ate many vegetables but round here the supper is always soup. They eat small portions of meat or fish, not many carbs, salad and lots of smoked meats and cheese. They do eat sweet things, but small portions When we get invited out for lunch and dinner it goes on for ever, but the portions are not large. The amount of wine served is often (but not always) quite modest too.
I certainly don't see the obsession with cake and sugary snacks that seems to have overtaken the UK. Still quite rare to see people snacking in the street round here.
You certainly don't see as many obese people and in my observations it seems often to be associated with poverty.

granjura Mon 23-Mar-15 15:28:40

Of course it is common sense and not tables. Once you understand about whcih food contains more or less starch- you don't need to consult tables. But fact is fact, new potatoes contain less starch than the type normally used for baking, which are older. And of course a small baked pot is ok as part of your meal if that is what you choose. But low GI (eg low starch) and high fibre are not quite the same thing- although both help. For people who are pre-diabetic, it is the GI which is the most important- but wholefood and more fibre is of course good too. As you say, common sense ;)

Anya Mon 23-Mar-15 15:38:25

I don't think I can even name 32 vegetables Mamie wink

Anya Mon 23-Mar-15 15:40:50

And then there's calcification of the arteries Jane which (i think) is a different things due to either excess calcium in the blood stream or calcium which ought to find its way to bone repair but doesn't.

Mamie Mon 23-Mar-15 15:41:27

Well we used to have five potato beds, but that has changed! Some of them are fruit beds and I have even managed to grab one for flowers this year....

merlotgran Mon 23-Mar-15 15:44:52

We've decided not to grow any potatoes this year. They are always delicious but just toooooo tempting. We'll stick to lots of leafy vegetables, salad stuff and fruit.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 23-Mar-15 16:25:17

all about atheroscolosis

merlotgran Mon 23-Mar-15 16:54:28

Oh. My mum developed that after a lifetime on a low carb diet.

She was 96 hmm

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 23-Mar-15 17:03:44

And? confused

merlotgran Mon 23-Mar-15 17:06:30

Why are we being lectured?

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 23-Mar-15 17:06:56

I wouldn't think there is anything with eating low carbs for losing weight, so long as you eat some. It's the high fat bit that is scary.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 23-Mar-15 17:08:26

You don't have to read the thread. It's not directed at you. But, others might follow you. I am putting forward reasons why I think they shouldn't.

merlotgran Mon 23-Mar-15 17:36:39

It's just a diet......not a Moonie cult and I'm not expecting any followers.

And I didn't start either of the two threads on Low carb diets.

Why not just forget the F word and think high protein instead.