Cider vinegar vs cholesterol and blood sugar (but not so much effect on weight loss and inflammation)-

Well, well. I'm thinking about that article and remembering that I've started taking the home-made ginger, honey and cider vinegar tea again these last two weeks.

I read that anti-inflamatories such as ibuprofen, can delay the healing of broken bones, so have cut them out until the pain was unbearable and beside they cause indigestion. Also the trauma to my arms had set off my arthritis in my hands and shoulder which I more or less had under control.

So that 'tea' has worked quite well and there might be an explanation in that article.

If you are thinking of apple juice instead of cider vinegar then don't forget that pure natural applejuice contains a lot of sugar. Quite naturally. that is why Germany is against the traffic light system for good or bad foods. Apple juice would get a red label even though it is one of the safest natural drinks for a child to drink.

My blood suagr sinks quite rapidly in the morning so I would not be thinking about drinking it. It sounds awful anyway!

Would never touch apple, or any other fruit juice. As you say too much sugar and bad for teeth.

That was an interesting programme, will be trying the dilute apple cider asap.

MargaretX Apple juice in small quantities is ok for children but it is not a safe or healthy drink if given undiluted or frequently. Bad for their teeth and very high in sugar. Neither is any other kind of juice safe or healthy. Recommended amount of juice for per day, maximum a very small wine glass. And that is for adults. Many "apple juice drinks" for children have additional sugar added.
The word "natural" is often used to convince shoppers that something is wholesome and healthy. In the EU food producers are not allowed to claim directly that anything has health-promoting qualities unless there is extremely strong evidence. So they use words like "natural" as part of their marketing.
I'm absolutely with Janeainsworth on the low quality of information to be gained from MM. It would be quite surprising if cider vinegar was a cure for all the ills that are cited by those trying to flog it. It seems to be one of the most frequently promoted "alternative" products. Nice cheap, wholesome-sounding cure-all.
With a group of volunteers this size it would not be unexpected to get some apparently "positive" results and some apparently "negative" results. Do the whole exercise again and all results might come out in the opposite direction.
The trouble with taking heed of one person's experience is that they may be getting a strong placebo effect.
If you want to know if there is good evidence before paying for something that you think might help your health the best place to look is not the TV but the database of cochrane systematic reviews. The site is down at the moment for maintenance.

So endeth todays lesson.

'The trouble with taking heed of one person's experience is that they may' ....think they know what they are talking about whereas in fact they are no more qualified to pontificate than the rest of us

How about a nice glass of cider? Dry one of course. No messing with nasty vinegar.

Perhaps not for the kids though.

Tried apple cider vinegar once. Diluted. Makes your throat hurt and your tummy/stomach/abdomen/upper intestines, feel sore. Never gonna work for anything.

Michael Moseley is a charlatan. A wealthy one.

Careful...re MM I might be in danger of agreeing with you on something.

Jess Apple juice here is drunk diluted with mineral water, I have never been in a restaurent or another house where it was drunk pure.
1 third apple and 2 thirds mineral water.

People here with apple trees collect their apples and take them to be made into juice with every body else's apples.
Depending how many kilos they have brought, they get a voucher and then the juice is free.
Its real work for families with a result and something you accept here with pleasure that it is still available.
Of course we are talking about a normal 1/4 litre drinking glass not these plastic buckets you get in the UK.
It is an aquired taste not so sweet as the bottled juice in the UK but whatever it is it can not be considered as not a healthy option.

That all sounds rather rural and idyllic Margaretx
However I think lots of parents and others in the UK, including well educated ones, may well think that apple juice, neat, is a healthy drink and OK for children to drink undiluted. There are also "apple juice drinks" pitched at children that are juice, sugar and water. And apple flavoured squash/cordial.
There is no recommendation on the apple juice cartons that the product should be diluted.

www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?

I believe that anything acid feeds cancer cells, there are reports of cures by consuming an alkali diet. I don't know how true this is but I try to avoid vineyards etc

Everything with nutritive value feeds cancer cells, just like any other cells. They are not fussy eaters. In fact, they will thrive and multiply on very little food.

Some people recover from cancer on an alkali diet. So do a few people who take coffee enemas, raw juices, potassium compound, thyroid hormone, vitamin B12, cottage cheese, flaxseeds and flaxseed oil, high dose porcine-based pancreatic enzyme therapy, vitamin C chelation, frankincense essential oil therapy, probiotics, Vitamin D, turmeric and curcumin, oxygen therapy, immune-Boosting bushrooms, and prayer and building peace. (all lauded on draxe.com/10-natural-cancer-treatments-hidden-cures/) They then instantly "go public" and write blogs about their wonderful miracle recovery, before they reach the 5 year comparison point which conventional therapies use as a yardstick.

Oh - and people also recover after conventional treatment, which is less hit-and-miss. They tend NOT to write eulogies about the drugs and/ or chemo and radiotherapy they received.

If these natural therapies are so powerful (and cheap), the NHS would have latched onto them long ago, and if tumours gobbled up acid, consultants would be giving all their patients pills to neutralise the hydrochloric acid essential for digesting food.

Oh dear ethelbags this is one of the dottier ideas you find on the internet. It's a cobbled together, muddled up mix of ideas, some based on oriental ideas of yin/yang. It does not make a crumb of sense.
Yes quite Elegran load of tosh that people perpetrate in order to promote naturopathic businesses etc.
"Cancer loves sugar" is another popular slogan which means damn all. Cancer cells are very hungry - they use a lot more energy (i.e. calories/glucose) than other cells if the cancer is growing aggressively. This is why cancer sufferers sometimes lose weight rapidly. However the metabolic processes in tumours are incredibly complex and not a matter of tweaking the patients diet. As you say, if it was, the NHS would have seized on it as being much more cost effective than very costly chemo and radio-therapy.
I don't think acetic acid is a nutrient at all. But if there are any biochemists in the house they may be able to confirm/deny that.

Ok, I'm open to any ideas.