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Cheese is the new poison

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thatbags Sat 04-Feb-17 16:32:57

According to a leading American quack doctor cheese is addictive and it is what is making us fat, not sugar. His name's Neal Barnard and he has written a book called The Cheese Trap: How Breaking a Surprising Addiction Will Help You Lose Weight, Gain Energy, and Get Healthy.

One of the comments after the article I've just read does point out that he's American and that Americans don't understand cheese.

Theoddbird Sun 05-Feb-17 14:36:32

American cheese is very processed. They know nothing about cheese...

Jalima Sun 05-Feb-17 14:22:23

cc yes, She did wonder if it was lactose intolerance and she used alternatives to dairy for a couple of years and prefers oat or almond milk to dairy now anyway, but tried goat's cheese first then ordinary (cow's milk) cheese again gradually in lower amounts and is fine with it now.

newnanny Sun 05-Feb-17 14:17:07

Well I am not going to give up my cheese. I don't have much sugar and don't eat desserts but I do love my cheese.

cc Sun 05-Feb-17 13:59:30

Cheese is addictive poison?! What total cr*p... But then cheese in the US is not particularly delicious - or at least the kinds we get her. It all seems to be processed, bland and fatty.

My husband has heart problems so we do use lower fat cheese now (or less of an extra mature cheddar) but we would never give it up completely. Just a small amount makes many meals so delicious...

Legs55 I never realised that diabetics were not supposed to eat cheese, is it just to keep your overall calorie intake down (I know it is very calorific) as it has little or no carbohydrate?

Jalima you mention DD's problems. I wonder if your DD has developed an intolerance to lactose, it isn't unusual? There are many lactose free products available, we tried both the milk and the mature cheddar recently when we had someone staying who could not eat lactose. Both were really absolutely fine, the mature cheddar being particularly delicious.

Legs55 Sun 05-Feb-17 13:13:34

When I was diagnosed as Type 2 Diabetic I was told I was only allowed a small matchbox sized piece of cheese !! That's no good for a serious cheese lover like me. When I went to visit DM in December we had a trip to Hawes to the Creamery (home of Wensleydale Cheese), it's fabulous, cheese counter is huge, little tasting pots, came home with 6 different cheeses (I had to restrain myself). On my next visit I'm going againgrin

Cheese is the only way I get any calcium apart from 2 cups of coffee a day with a little milk. I run the risk of losing bone density due to one of my essential medicationshmm

I have a friend who lived in America for 9 years, his opinion of American cheese is unprintableblush

Jalima Sun 05-Feb-17 12:59:20

Granny23 that's interesting about the bacteria.
One of my DDs ate so much cheese that she made herself ill, facial rash, bloating etc and kept off it for months. She can now tolerate it in small amounts but certainly not every day as she used to.

marionk Sun 05-Feb-17 12:39:18

I am sure this must be for American readers primarily as I have yet to see a savoury American recipe that did not include cheese or have it on the accompanying veggies/salad

Lupin Sun 05-Feb-17 12:19:50

We have an old board game based on Treasure Island and I always pick Ben Gunn for my character. I adore cheese - and my latest cheese craze is for mild blue cheese with a pear and a handful of pecans or walnuts. It's good with pickled pears too if you can find them. I shall defy the US doctor. Banning something always makes me want it more.I don't use milk so I need the calcium too. I find myself pouting and scowling as I write this.

grandMattie Sun 05-Feb-17 12:17:08

I can take or leave cheese... [and like hopeful, I too am still fat - not fair!] DH on the other hand could easily turn into an addict.
Trouble is that the prostate cancer he has LOVES it, so I try to discourage too much consumption sad.
Like most things, I believe that moderation is the key!

Nanannotgrandma Sun 05-Feb-17 12:12:10

Merlotgran it's a bread cake!

hulahoop Sun 05-Feb-17 12:10:36

Biker gran I remember those packets of chees and crackers sold in pubs I eaten a good few of them ? We used to get oven bottom which was about 12inch round a quarter of that with ham or cheese is yummy although haven't had one for a while .

hopeful1 Sun 05-Feb-17 12:03:00

I dont eat cheese but am still fat!

Mamie Sun 05-Feb-17 11:55:11

I have maintained my weight loss (and my reduced cholesterol level) for three years now, whilst eating lots of cheese of all sorts. I don't have any bread or biscuits with it though.

silverlining48 Sun 05-Feb-17 11:49:14

Slimming world recommend reducing cheese consumption, i have cut right down on bread and cheese and have lost 1.5 stones. Sadly i still like the odd bite of chocolate though.

Lilyflower Sun 05-Feb-17 11:40:32

Take plenty of no notice. In a week or so there will be a book out saying that cheese is good for you. If not, you could take a look at the 'Daily Mail' website where an article pointing out that some item of foodstuff will kill you is exactly adjacent to one recommending it to live to 120.

pen50 Sun 05-Feb-17 10:38:20

I'm one of those weirdos who doesn't actually like the taste of cheese...and alas, no one would describe me as skinny!

Luckygirl Sun 05-Feb-17 10:35:50

Enough! Enough! I LOVE cheese and cannot eat it because it triggers migraine - boo-hoo sad

sue1169 Sun 05-Feb-17 10:27:02

Oops just making cauliflower cheese for later...

Granny23 Sun 05-Feb-17 09:37:16

For me, cheese has always been 'poison'. Having an allergy? intolerance? not to lactose but to the bacteria that 'turns' milk into cheese, yogurt, sour cream, etc. the slightest bit (like the grated cheese I discovered stuck to the bottom of the BLT I ate last week - presumably picked up from the preparation area) leaves me with 2/3 days of rumbling tummy, gas and worse. I so wish that restaurants would stop adding these cheesy things to sauces, soups, deserts and salads willy nilly and unannounced.

I don't just hate cheese - I actually FEAR it.

Araabra Sun 05-Feb-17 01:00:44

OH loves Buchanan's for selection and price www.buchananscheesemonger.com/

Jalima Sat 04-Feb-17 23:27:03

Thanks for the tip about him Niobe

I have looked at reviews of another of his books on Amazon - glowing reports!
hmm could be true, could be his friends/colleagues

Nelliemoser Sat 04-Feb-17 23:25:18

Stilton still wins out for me.

Some of the local artisan cheese makers are now selling all sorts of interesting cheeses but it is expensive.
I had some from one of these producers who made some to a very old Staffordshire recipe it was very nice.
I always forget to go to our local farmers market on the first Saturday.

Nelliemoser Sat 04-Feb-17 23:14:52

Lona Must be from up Lancashire way with her oven bottom rolls.
There has been a thread about the many different local names for bread rolls. It does seem to cause confusion.

Lona Sat 04-Feb-17 23:06:10

Just had some runnyish Cambazola Blue on Cheese Thins! Yummy. I think I've overdosed today ?

Niobe Sat 04-Feb-17 22:46:11

Neal Barnard is a Seventh Day Adventist. They follow a vegan diet as part of their religion so his comments re diet are always rather biased. In the interest of fairness I must point out that SDAs have long life expectancy but I like my cheese too much to give it up for few extra years of old age!