NHS a sinking ship?

In fairness, Eloethan, I felt angry about those things during the coalition. However, now that the CP is in power on it's own, I can see that at least the LD were able to temper their activities to an extent.

My personal beef is, I think they should have formed a coalition with the LP, but my daughter is adamant that since CP got most votes they should have been part of the government.

NHS nurses feel so valued that they are leaving to work in supermarkets.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/08/nhs-staff-quitting-to-work-in-supermarkets-because-of-poor-pay

Cold I have mentioned this on several occasions but very few people - and certainly not those that vote Conservative - seem to think it is a concern.

Would a business employ a CEO whose objective is to abolish it?

In 2005 Jeremy Hunt co-authored a book advocating privatization of the NHS
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-privatise-nhs-tories-privatising-private-insurance-market-replacement-direct-democracy-a6865306.html

He didn't call them "vermin" he said they were "lower than vermin". This was Nye Bevan who can justifiably be called the 'father' of the NHS. And 'daddy' knew what the Tories really think about his creation.
The reason for the introduction of CCGs can be found in this single sentence from Wiki

Unite the Union surveyed the 3,392 CCG board members in 2015 and reported that 513 were directors of private healthcare companies: 140 owned such businesses and 105 carried out external work for them. More than 400 CCG board members were shareholders in such companies.

In other words the people who have a vested interest in privatisation are active in the NHS commissioning groups

During the time of the coalition the Lib Dems reneged on many promises, including:

Tuition Fees
Nick Clegg campaigned on a promise to scrap tuition fees But once in government, Nick Clegg and his MPs voted to treble tuition fees to £9,000,

VAT
Nick Clegg campaigned against what he called a “TORY VAT BOMBSHELL” during the election. But it was a bombshell he helped the Tories drop - voting to increase VAT to 20%.

Tax Cut for Millionaires
Nick Clegg promised “fairer taxes in tough times”. Instead, he backed a Tory cut in the top rate of tax, giving 13,000 millionaires a tax cut worth an average £100,000.

NHS
Nick Clegg and his party backed David Cameron’s top-down NHS reorganisation from the start. It was passed thanks to Lib Dem votes.

Mansion Tax
In opposition, the Liberal Democrats said they backed a mansion tax. When given the chance to stand up for their own principles and vote for a mansion tax, they voted against it.

Sure Start
In May 2010, Nick Clegg promised to protect Sure Start and told voters that “.. Sure Start is one of the best things the last government has done and I want all these centres to stay open”. But in Government, the Lib Dems backed cuts to Sure Start - over 500 have been shut.

Police
Nick Clegg promised to put 3,000 more police on the beat. But in Government the Lib Dems backed Tory plans to cut more than 15,000 police officers.

Special Advisers
In opposition, the Lib Dems said that "special advisers should be funded by political parties”. During the coalition, Nick Clegg alone had sixteen Special Advisers - paid for by taxpayers.

Yes, it's it is easier to talk than to do but let's not forget that the Lib Dems were fairly ineffective while in coalition. And Nick Clegg, instead of insisting on holding to at least his main promises - say, tuition fees and VAT - settled for the AV referendum which was doomed from the start.

Much as I dislike the Conservative Party, its ideology and its past and present policies, I don't agree with calling anyone "vermin". It's an aggressive use of language that can only cause hatred and division.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/07/jeremy-hunt-health-secretary-andrew-marr-show-nhs-waiting-times

John Crace his usual forensic self.

I grew up with dogs GGM2 and had a brief 5 year period when I first lived away from home, without a dog. Since I was 25, I've always had at least one dog in my life and at times three. When my mother was in her final weeks of life, she had to go into a nursing home. We were so relieved when we were told we could bring her dog to visit. I will never forget the look of joy on mum's face when we walked in with her dog. He jumped onto her bed and they cuddled up, she talked to him and stroked him and they went to sleep together. We took him regularly after that first visit. The staff were brilliant and recognised it was such an important part of mum's day. My family are mostly dog folks and we have each left dogs to each other in the event we drop out of the sky unexpectedly. It's written into wills. Sorry to have gone off piste but it kind of fits with the NHS issue

I don't think getting a dog is such a wild idea Iam, I certainly think about it.

Trisher thank you for the poster. It sums up my views very well.

This is the man in charge.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/05/07/how-does-jeremy-hunt-respond-to-the-public-like-theresa-may-he-runs-away/

I was out yesterday evening and this morning so I've just seen Ana's question about how we can be more respected nsible users of the NHS.
No easy response is there but
. If you have an appointment in any part of the NHS keep it or rearrange in good time (emergencies excepted)
. Try and follow sensible advice about diet
. Try not to binge or drink to excess
. Don't abuse street or prescription drugs
. Follow advice about immunising children
. Do our best to maintain a level of activity that helps us remain as active as our age and abilities allow
. Get a dog. I may only be joking slightly as there seems to be plenty of research suggesting dog owners are less depressed and fitter than those who don't share their lives with dogs. I walked five miles with three dogs this morning, it was very enjoyable. More so for me than the dogs because the tide was in, so they couldn't swim.

One of my worries is the impact on the NHS (and the police and other public services) of people who are injured in some way because of binge substance/alcohol abuse. Our A and E department is often crowded with groups supporting one injured friend, their intoxication upsets other patient and must add to the stress staff experience. I've no pat solutions to this problem because charging or fining would increase beaurocracy but I expect others may take a harsher approach

This is why we don't know as much as we should about the NHS. Junior doctors have not been able to whistleblow without harming their careers.
Hopefully this will change from now on.

www.thecanary.co/2017/05/05/junior-doctor-just-won-landmark-ruling-jeremy-hunt-protect-every-nhs-patient/

I can't recall seeing this in the mainstream news.

www.verdict.co.uk/nhs-funding-crisis-if-pharmaceutical-giants-leave-the-uk-what-could-it-mean-for-the-economy/

A lot more graphs on here to show why the NHS is sinking, or how it is being sunk.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/05/07/tory-voters-here-is-your-governments-national-health-service-in-graphs/

GP vacancy rate.

twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/861142125953548289/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fvoxpoliticalonline.com%2F2017%2F05%2F07%2Ftory-voters-here-is-your-governments-national-health-service-in-graphs%2F

The Tory NHS.

twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/861140538791256065/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fvoxpoliticalonline.com%2F2017%2F05%2F07%2Ftory-voters-here-is-your-governments-national-health-service-in-graphs%2F

This is why the NHS is in crisis. It's not a sinking ship; it is being deliberately sunk by the Tories.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/05/07/tory-voters-want-to-make-us-all-pay-a-fortune-for-healthcare/

twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/861161800716386304

Worth watching Hunt saying they will meet the four hour target next year. What happens in the meantime?

Brilliant, trisher.

Well this sums it up for me! Thanks Nye!

Reneged, trisher?
Some people do consider them renegades as well because of what they did about student loans.

The problem the Lib Dems have is the promise they renegaded on about student loans. It was such a part of their campaign and many voted for them because of it. I like the 1p tax idea but when it came to the crunch would they really stick with it.

Hunt asked if TM would give more money to the NHS he answered it by saying it depended on the Brexit deal -so I guess that's a 'no'.

I absolutely agree with Tim Farron's approach, and the most important bit is ring-fenced. I'm sure there are lots of people like me who would be very willing to pay an extra 1p in the pound tax if we could be sure that's where it would be going.