midgey thanks for reply, i have some gel from the chemist, but i have used voltarol before, not sure about not using it with certain tablets, but will look it up,
My knee felt much better this afternoon,and not as bad walking on it
The twist was more to the side ,and below my knee rather than kneecap
I hope it doesnt take too long to heal, poor dog needs a walk
No fun being old under Andy Burnham .
So Harry and family are coming back!


