"everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix"

A very small number of women have two cervixes - to be really inclusive should CRUK have said ‘people with cervix(es)’? CRUK have been very clear that they have used the people word entirely to treat transmen inclusively and in so doing have joined those in throwing women and the concept of women under the bus. Have you heard about Hostelling Scotland now and their single sex dorms? Yep you’ve got it- self id as a woman and off you go into the woman’s dorm with your penis and the 16 year old girls and the showers with flimsy curtains, It’s the latest ManFriday campaign. When is this collective madness going to end?

Intersex and transgender are two different things. You can't conflate the two. Intersex is a physical condition whereas transgender is a feeling.

"surely only those who were absolutely sure they were born with the wrong body/ gender would put themselves through such a procedure"

The majority of transwomen (formerly known as men) do not put themselves through any surgical procedure and often do not take hormonal treatment either.

LiltingLyrics, thanks for that info.
How would intersex people be helped by the wording 'everyone with a cervix'?
Do you think that making the campaign more obscure to its traditional target of 'women' is a good move?

Hear, hear!

Exactly again notanan

Women's services, needs and identities do NOT need to be erased in order to provide services and inclusion to other groups

they could run ALONGSIDE women's groups/services/campaigns, not in place of them!

Last year, Cosmopolitan ran an interesting article on people who are Intersex. One man's story was this:

"I have an XXY chromosome set with Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, so that's two elements of intersex in one body. I have one ovary, a uterus, and a vagina (via vaginaplasty and labiaplasty) behind my scrotum, but I also have a functional penis and one testicle. I have no body hair, female skeleton, and I menstruate. In the old days, they used to call people like me a "true hermaphrodite," but that is not the modern term. So I play the role of male, knowing that I am biologically neither male nor female."

Here's the article. www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a32957/sex-talk-realness-being-intersex/

Some people are born with challenging physicality and I applaud the CRS for recognising this.

Exactly not it’s the transwomen who are the real issue. I do wonder why CRUK moved from the sensible words on their website to the people word in their campaign? I wonder how many transmen have been lobbying them? I guess it’s much more likely to have been the TRAs. I wonder what % of transmen haven’t been turning up for their smears and if it’s high, if this campaign will help with the use of the people word? I can’t possibly know but a guess would be that if they aren’t turning up it might be more to do with presenting themselves looking like a man to a nurse in a women’s health environment. Maybe in all of this what might be being lost is that the specific female health needs of transmen are not being addressed in ways that make it easy for them to access these services? But I fail to see how a campaign like this which erases the word women would help them? They are presenting as men in everyday life and women are not. It’s a mess I think but this isn’t the way to solve it.

They sound like angry men. Funny, that.

not all transwomen, some are very much on our side. Others are quietly getting in with their lives..

but most trans activists are transwomen not transmen and behave like entitled women hating mysogynists

you don't see the same vitriol aimed at men from transmen at all!

but IMO the offense and campaigning isn't coming from transmen with cervixes. It's coming from transwomen who express a lot of anger at anything which is targeted/worded directly for women with female biology.

Because who are we (women with female bodies) to dare to define ourselves as a group?

no harm in including transmen ALSO or even targeting them specifically in an extra campaign.

The issue is that the word "woman" and "female" in relation to female biology is said to be "transphobic" because it offends "women with penises"

Ah. Thanks, notanan. So Cancer Research should have just stuck with the word "women" and taken the ridiculous uproar of offence on the chin.

In short: SIGH!

a transman is someone born female who identifies as a man who may or may not have had surgery and/or hormone therapy to achieve stereotypically male characteristics.

It's all fine so long as you believe that what defines a woman = identifying with gender steriotypes.

it means that transmen aren't women based in the premise that being a woman is defined as liking girly things and having girly feelings and has nothing to do with our biology.

nobody says this about prostates or testicles re mens health campaigns though. Men are allowed to have mens services...

Oh, wait! Girls are not women, I suppose. Is it really that silly?

not all people with a cervix are women

Could someone explain this to me, please?

I get the part about not all women having a cervix cos they've had it removed.

Do you know, I'm relieved I'm no longer 64

Talk about one step forward and twenty back on the women's equality front. I'm just a bit cross.

Yes it’s a changing world isn’t it Notanan2

no. it's the opposite. It's more of the same: silencing and repression of women.

Yes it’s a changing world isn’t it Notanan2, unfortunately those who are genuine often have their circumstances hijacked & used to push through someone else’s darker agenda.

Thanks for sharing that with us LiltingLyrics,& I do hope all is well with you now.
I too have never been especially Knowledgeable about all our bits & bobs.?

Bridget transmen experience mysogyny from transactivists who are mostly born male. They are frequently ignored by the LGBQT community (along with lesbians)...

.. which is why making MEN'S toilets safe & inclusive for transmen barely gets a whisper of a mention...

The attacks are always on womens rights, bodies, services & spaces and unfortunately no amount of trousers or body hair would make me immune to that

Not all woman have a cervix and not all people with a cervix are women.

I don't really see any problem with the wording of the campaign.

I regard myself as an intelligent woman. I'd had a hysterectomy and a few years later queried with my GP why I hadn't been called forward for the regular smear test. I felt a tad foolish when I was told I no longer had a cervix. I had no idea that it had been removed during the operation, had no idea that there were two different kinds of hysterectomy - total hysterectomy where the uterus and cervix are removed and and supracervical hysterectomy where the cervix is left in tact.

Incidentally, it's a common misconception that a total hysterectomy includes removal of the ovaries. If the ovaries are removed, that's a bilateral salpingoophorectomy or BSO.

you probably could un choose it Now notanan2, but to be serious surely only those who were absolutely sure they were born with the wrong body/ gender would put themselves through such a procedure

I can't un-chose it. It's just what I am. It has nothing to do with what I wear or how I feel.