MissA didn't work! Have downloaded a couple of talking books for tonight so will give that a go.
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Does anyone have a cure? Tried over the counter meds but they make me feel awful next day. Tried warm milk and various things before bed but they don't work. I have a bedtime routine, I don't have a TV in the bedroom and don't look at PC or phone before bed. I feel very tired so don't see the point in getting up and doing something to tire myself out. I never nap in the daytime and suffer the same if I have had a quiet day, a busy day or a physically demanding day. When I finally get to sleep, sometimes as late as 5 am, I sleep soundly, it is getting to sleep that is the problem. After about 5 days of this I finally get a good night's sleep but then it all starts again.
MissA didn't work! Have downloaded a couple of talking books for tonight so will give that a go.
I'm the same. I go to bed as late as I can stand it (1am usually), in the hope that I might sleep for a few hours without waking more than once.
I have found that I sleep better on the evenings I go to Zumba, which at the moment is 3 evenings a week.
When I get too tired through lack of a decent night's sleep, I resort to taking an antihistamine or a Co-Codamol tablet.
Nanna58 Haha!
Good luck, Nonnie
Sweet dreams!
Fingers crossed for you.
So would I Greengage, but one I can get at Tesco and the other I can’t!!?
MissA you could find that the sleeping pills make you feel bad the next day anyway so no benefit at all. That is what has happened to me. I've now downloaded a 2 hour play and got out some headphones. That's my plan for tonight but not sure having something stuck in my ear is conducive to sleep! Nothing ventured............
I have asked for something to help me sleep, but just been given the antihistamines.
The doctor told me they only prescribe sleeping pills if there is an end in sight to the sleeplessness, for example someone can't sleep because they have a big event coming up..
So, I manage on a few broken hours a night. 
and completely off thread there was a notice in the waiting room saying to switch off phones when arriving and one telling you how to log into the Wifi!
Went to the GP yesterday and he didn't help at all. Felt like he didn't listen to what I said. I told him I had taken some of the meds for 2 days and slept but felt like I hadn't the next day so no point in taking pills. He then explained to me that he didn't want to prescribe pills. Three times I told him about the exercise I take and that it doesn't make any difference and he told me to take exercise. He told me to not have a TV in the bedroom after I had told him we don't and he told me not to have caffeine in the evening after I told him I stop at lunchtime. Complete waste of time. Oh and my toenail is coming off but he wasn't interested in that either! He did agree to send me for a hearing test and DH as well but reprimanded us for not making a separate appointment for DH. We didn't do that because it was as quick to ask for 2 as to ask for one and thought that would free him up to see someone else!
Will try not to see that doc again.
annep and anyone else with M.E./CFS
I have ME plus an under-active thyroid and a host of other illnesses. Have any M.E. people tried Amitryptilene? I have some Zopiclone sleeping pills to use occasionally if I am desperate but don't want to take them every night, and in any case it would not be a good idea medically. My GP has suggested Amitryptilene but I'm concerned about taking it.
I've been taking CBD oil capsules but I haven't noticed any improvement in my insomnia, although I think they have helped with arthritis pain. They are quality high-strength capsules and very expensive so I won't be buying them again.
I have tried everything I can think of but only sleep well on the odd occasion I take one of my prescription sleeping pills, which I only take if I need to sleep well in order to be alert the following morning.
Someone further back on this thread mentioned the Paul McKenna book and CD and I tried that several years ago but didn't persevere with it, so have dug it out to try it properly this time.
Yesterday I bought some ThisWorks deep sleep pillow spray.
Went to bed at 10.45.
Read book (Alan Partridge) till 11.15.
Sprayed pillow.
Went straight to sleep.
Woke at 3.15 to go to the loo.
Straight back to sleep.
Woke at 5.15. Loo again.
Straight back to sleep.
Woke 7.30.
Best night’s sleep for a couple of months and feel better than I’ve done for weeks.
the ' go on then but don't wake me up dear' range as the comic once said.....probably Victoria Wood.
Oh I don’t think it could have been Victoria Wood, Hilda 
m.youtube.com/watch?v=fFI5Jl_IqsE
HildaW ??
As to the 'other' thing I'm more in the ' go on then but don't wake me up dear' range as the comic once said.....probably Victoria Wood.
There's hot chocolate and Hot chocolate....one is a sweet milky drink.....the other (the sort I have) is probably the equivalent of a large bar of 70% melted in milk and would certainly keep me awake!
I haven't tried hot chocolate, always thought chocolate was a stimulant but will give it a go, why not?
Melanieeastanglia Although I like hot chocolate, I think I would still prefer my suggestion!
As the song goes "Ah yes I remember it well!" lol.
Greengage! Reminds me of that old joke ‘ sometimes I drop off to sleep after sex, other times I just get up and go home!!’ ??
I laughed out loud when I read your comment Greengage.
How about a drink of hot chocolate before bed? Not as energetic as Greengage's suggestion but it might be effective.
Nobody seems to have mentioned sex or masturbation prior to sleep. There is the 'sleep of the just', and 'sleep of the just after'! Sorry if I have shocked anyone.
Cardif done all that and it makes no difference whether I have slobbed all day or done lots of outdoor exercise.
Thanks annep, I live in hope that someone will make a suggestion which will leap into my mind and make all the difference.
NanaR watched it expecting something new but it is just the same old and I suspect that everyone on this thread has already tried them all.
AlexG tried that for the first time last night, went through the alphabet 3 times with different subjects then gave up!
I tried doing the shopping as someone suggested when I woke at 4am. I fell asleep in the first aisle of Sainsburys.?
grandtanteJE65 no, not unless I am subconsciously worrying. I seem to be the odd one out here as I'm not lying there thinking about not sleeping. Maybe I'm just acccepting it? I am remembering that I read that lying peacefully is almost as good as sleeping. The day to day stuff doesn't go through my head, I am too busy reciting poetry etc and last night did the alphabet thing someone suggested upthread 3 times straight though and it was interesting but didn't send me to sleep.
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