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Privatisation through the backdoor?

(62 Posts)
EllanVannin Fri 01-Mar-19 12:12:12

It's no bad thing and should be a means-tested programme.

Charleygirl5 Fri 01-Mar-19 11:16:06

Theresa May's husband allegedly owns a large private ambulance service which is now very well known, certainly in London and has mopped up many of the non emergency contracts mentioned by tanith.

Neti Fri 01-Mar-19 10:21:47

There's been cases of private hospitals performing operations and when complications arise delivering the patient to an NHS A&E department, without patient notes.

This sounds unbelievable, but as an ex NHS campaigner I know it to be true.

Richard Branson & Virgin Health have sued NHS England for huge sums when a contract bid was unsuccessful, and won, costing us huge amounts.

I've no time for RB or any other private medical treatment and find making profits out of people's illnesses unconscionable.

Urmstongran Wed 27-Feb-19 09:21:35

Ever noticed these private hospitals don’t have A&E departments - no they leave the messy work to the NHS it seems!

Luckygirl Wed 27-Feb-19 09:13:50

kitty - I am afraid it does not work well and the regulation is a joke. It is political dogma writ large.

jura2 Wed 27-Feb-19 09:08:39

Many people jump in and out of the systems- jumping queues but then having their operation via NHS. Many Consultants work for both private and NHS, and deliberately keep thei NHS waiting list massive- but then say 'ah but I can do it privately next week for £££'.

etc, etc - could write a book ...

Telly Wed 27-Feb-19 08:44:48

Our GP admin made an appointment to see a London consultant on the phone. However when the secretary phoned to discuss turns out that this was a private appointment. So, NHS staff, using NHS equipment and time, make private appointments? Go figure. The NHS is a cash cow for a lot of people and organisations.

1inamillion Wed 27-Feb-19 07:40:20

Quite shocked to read this urmstongran, will look at the article.
Health is devolved here in Wales. Dil is a hospital doctor and she sees more privatisation as inevitable if the NHS is to survive. It must be well regulated though.

kittylester Wed 27-Feb-19 07:16:59

I don't have an automatic dislike of it - so long as it works better and is well regulated.

tanith Wed 27-Feb-19 07:11:09

It’s very wrong but it’s been going on for many years in the NHS sadly. Private companies were snapping up non-urgent Ambulance contracts in London hospitals up to 15 yrs ago it started before I retired and their staff were seriously lacking in training and despite complaints and protests it’s spread throughout the services nowadays all non-urgent work is done by privates and the LOndon Ambulance Service use them also when they are over stretched.
Not good, profit before patients can’t be right.

B9exchange Tue 26-Feb-19 23:25:36

I am totally against privatising the NHS. Any company that has its focus on making money is not going to put patients first. They will cherry pick the easier non-expensive patients and leave the long term sick to a second rate underfunded NHS. We haven't the funds to treat everyone adequately as it is, why would we pour more money into profit for private companies?

I have personal experience of this, reluctantly taking on a job to manage the sexual health services for London on behalf of a private consortium now gone out of business. Their knowledge of how to run a health service was abysmal, their ignorance was terrifying.

Urmstongran Tue 26-Feb-19 22:52:38

What do GNers think of this article in The Guardian today?

While Branson has focused on his high-profile efforts to put tourists into space, his businesses have been hoovering up low-profile contracts in unusual places, taking advantage of changes to the NHS that have forced local service providers to consider private companies.

The services include:

A nine-year contract to provide sexual health services for councils in the north-east of England

A £700m deal to run district nursing, dementia care and support for vulnerable children in Bath and north-east Somerset

A contract to run GPs’ surgeries in Essex

A partnership to deliver ‘startup’ loans for the government

Healthcare, including dentistry, in a number of low-category prisons

A contract with NHS England to give school flu jobs in Devon

Virgin’s first foray into healthcare was in 2008 when it announced plans for six branded clinics offering a range of services. However, it was only in 2010 when it bought a stake in an existing provider, Assura, that it began to show greater ambition in the market.

Since then, Virgin Care Services Ltd has bid for – and won – dozens more.