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GabriellaG54 Wed 23-Oct-19 11:18:51

Article in the DM today re the link between gut health and pill popping.

Gonegirl Wed 23-Oct-19 19:48:34

Oh, please do tell me how I can stop my acid reflux without the help of modern medicine Sparklefizz. Running some kind of forum obviously makes you the expert.

GabriellaG54 Wed 23-Oct-19 19:42:36

Maybe it's older people who have been taking meds for many years who could be interested in finding alternatives, not 20-40 yr olds.

Sparklefizz Wed 23-Oct-19 19:42:05

Gonegirl Actually, there is quite a lot that people can do to help themselves, but it involves more effort than just taking a pill and they don't usually want to bother until they become really ill ..... and perhaps not even then, either.

(I am an admin on a closed health forum with global membership)

GabriellaG54 Wed 23-Oct-19 19:40:10

Ohhh...I don't think that's true MawB.
I personally have never seen a post on any thread where someone has complained about other GNers moaning about their ills'
That would be unwarranted and no doubt removed.

Gonegirl Wed 23-Oct-19 19:39:11

Perhaps not the best article to link to on a website aimed largely at older people. ie the people most likely to have to take prescription meds.

GabriellaG54 Wed 23-Oct-19 19:34:29

It's not helpful to quote sensationalised passages from newspapers re Brexit as it too is a serious issue but there are many on here who do just that.

It is a well researched subject, not by journalists but by the medical profession in countries around the world.
The journo in this case was reiterating findings from respected sources, sources just as respected as your own doctor and a lot more knowledgeable in their field than any GP.
I wonder how many GNers have referred to news articles in a post, probably the vast majority at one time or another.
Michael Mosely presented an interesting and informative programme about 18 months ago on this subject and discussed it with doctors and professors from highly reputable UK institutions.

My two posts were invitations to explore the articles, one in a news article and one in a magazine (re type 2 diabetes) but it's funny that not one person has mentioned the latter article as me having 'thrown out' a sensationalised piece of writing and sitting smug in the knowledge that I haven't got type 2.
I wonder why.
Both articles on issues which have been discussed on here many times but only one garnering bared teeth and sniping remarks about the poster who wrote neither article.

Some people need to wind their necks in.

Gonegirl Wed 23-Oct-19 19:22:04

I think it's a sad fact that older guts just don't perform as well as younger ones. And there's sod-all anyone can do about it.

MawB Wed 23-Oct-19 19:17:16

It’s not the first time there has been a conversation about how many of us “d’un certain âge” are “pill poppers” or moan about our ills compared to some who enjoy perfect health and fitness - no doubt because of their impeccable lifestyle.

grapefruitpip Wed 23-Oct-19 18:57:20

Nobody is denying that the whole body is linked up, nor would anybody wish to be taking medication long term without good reason.

It is not particularly helpful for somebody claiming to have perfect health and no need for medication ever ,to throw out a tabloid article which sensationalizes a serious issue.

Callistemon Wed 23-Oct-19 18:51:21

Thanks Sparklefizz

Sparklefizz Wed 23-Oct-19 18:45:38

grapefruit antibiotics and drugs for breast cancer wrought havoc on my gut.

Sparklefizz Wed 23-Oct-19 18:43:58

Exactly Petra - we think alike.

Sparklefizz Wed 23-Oct-19 18:43:21

Calli Faecal transplants have been done for several years now. A clinic in London, the Taymount, performs them, and they are done in Europe and the US. They are extremely time-consuming (not just one transplant) and very expensive.

The transplants are apparently particularly useful for people suffering from C. Diff.

Callistemon Wed 23-Oct-19 17:49:06

M0nica I think research is taking place at the moment on introducing cleansed faeces from a donor into the gut of people who have coeliac disease and the results are, apparently, promising.

I suppose, though, that people who have coeliac disease and other auto-immune conditions brought it upon themselves by not getting out into the fresh air enough or smoking or drinking alcohol when they were babies.

petra Wed 23-Oct-19 17:41:05

Sparklefizz
They don't call the gut the second brain for nothing, do they?

grapefruitpip Wed 23-Oct-19 17:40:52

Of course there is the gut brain axis, well worth a look.

50% of common pills wreak havoc on your gut health: Study finds steroids, antibiotics and antidepressants can trigger bacteria changes linked to obesity and infections.

Is " wreak havoc" helping anybody? Note the use of the word " can" and the size of the sample.

Sparklefizz Wed 23-Oct-19 17:36:39

petra Symprove is brilliant.

Sparklefizz Wed 23-Oct-19 17:36:14

There's been a ton of research on the gut-brain axis. As someone who has a lot of gut problems including an incurable pancreatic disease (not cancer) I have learnt a great deal. It helps to have an open mind.

www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/7/12/521/htm

Sparklefizz Wed 23-Oct-19 17:33:30

How about trusting your doctor?

Doctors make mistakes. I would have died if I'd trusted my doctor.

petra Wed 23-Oct-19 17:25:38

MOnica
Would that be Symprove? Amazing product.
I only wish that Doctors could prescribe it.

grapefruitpip Wed 23-Oct-19 17:05:53

I don't think a trawl through GN and people expressing trauma ,leads to a scientific conclusion that trauma causes 90% of depression.

How ridiculous.

M0nica Wed 23-Oct-19 16:55:08

There is nothing new about this. It has been known for years. When DD was taking up to 3,000 units of antibiotics a day after an extensive injury, it played merry hell with her digestion and bowels.

She was recommended to take large doses of probiotics to build up the biome in her bowels and was eventually threatened with a faecal enema, specially tested and 'cleansed' faeces from some other person washed round her bowles to get the bacteria back into her.

Fortunately she spoke to her pharmacist who recommended a course of one special probiotic that included reintroducing lab grown bacteria into her system and that worked.

Read Tim Spector's The Diet Myth

MawB Wed 23-Oct-19 16:40:05

And with all due respect, GN is not a representative cross section of the population- especially not AIBU. hmm

MawB Wed 23-Oct-19 16:38:34

Alexa even if you are correct and you quote no back up for your assertion, 90% is not 100%
It is so easy to be sweepingly dismissive of the experience of others.

Gonegirl Wed 23-Oct-19 15:46:38

They work for that. Not always for the depression that often goes hand in hand with anxiety.