The reason for vaccinations

Does anyone know when childhood vaccinations for measles and mumps became routine? I only have DPT recorded on my baby vaccination records (I am 60). I think I recall having rubella jab as teenager. Only asking because I have been offered an MMR too (which I'm having) as part of some travel vaccinations. Sorry if this is slightly derailing the thread but it hadn't previously occurred to me that there may be lots of older people who don't have immunity. Personally I will take any vaccination on offer and think it is irresponsible not to. Nothing is 100% safe, but the number of people harmed by the diseases far outweighs those harmed by a vaccine.

Kisathecat Unvaccinated people also carry the diseases while they incubate them, and are a danger to those with compromised immune systems. My mother caught diphtheria from a friend who just seemed to have a bad cold until she became really ill.

Smallpox has been eliminated through a concerted global effort. Would you really go back to having that spread through the population like a fire in a timber yard?

Smallpox - Between 20 and 60% of all those infected—and over 80% of infected children—died from the disease. During the 20th century, it is estimated that smallpox was responsible for 300–500 million deaths. In the early 1950s an estimated 50 million cases of smallpox occurred in the world each year.

It was one of the world's most devastating diseases known to humanity. The last known natural case was in Somalia in 1977. It was declared eradicated in 1980 following a global immunization campaign led by the World Health Organization

www.google.com/search?q=smallpox and select "images" from the choices below the text box.
www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/smallpox-and-vaccines/

I believe the MMR vaccination is too much all at once for a tiny baby's body. I paid for my grandchildren to be given the single vaccinations instead rather than a triple jab.

The companies in the UK who provide single jabs do not guarentee "cold chain" and some have a dodgy history of not recalling contaminated batches abroad

The NHS has a robust cold chain and recall system. This makes triple jab is therefore MUCH safer.

My mother worked in a fever hospital or isolation hospital called Cuddington near Banstead, Surrey during the war. Many children were patients there with diphtheria, TB and other illnesses before vaccinations. Patients were isolated. Everything was boiled. Diphtheria closed up the windpipe and the only treatment was an operation. She witnessed a 9 year old girl die on the operating table.

Granted vaccines don't necessarily provide life-long immunity and in some cases don't work, but that is surely not a reason to refuse to have them.

I belong to a generation that was vaccinated against tetanus, whooping-cough and diphtheria at such an early age that I cannot remember it.

Smallpox vaccination was compulsory for children starting school at five, polio followed a year or so later and TB vaccination when we were ten.

You couldn't be vaccinated against German measles, measles or mumps, mothers s made sure girls had German measles well before puberty and that boys had mumps. I also remember having chicken pox twice!

Whether some of these vaccinations are or could be the cause of serious illness or disability is a discussion that has been going on for as long as I can remember. Not being either a doctor nor a bio-chemist I don't know the rights and wrongs of it.

Parents have the right to decide for themselves in these matters, which unfortunately can put other peoples children at risk, but surely usually only if these children haven't been vaccinated either?

I was living in Brighton in 1950 when smallpox hit there. The first cases were about half a mile from our home.
journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/146642405207200202?journalCode=rsha
www.britishpathe.com/video/town-tackles-smallpox-scare

There was a smallpox outbreak in Bradford too, in 1962, and the child that started it had been vaccinated twice, get parents were revaccinated si they were ok, if anyone is interested there is a write up here
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1079469/#!po=20.9677 a very vivid memory, not everyone who died had been vaccinated. The outbreak was contained fortunately.
People forget how serious the diseases that immunisation gives some protection against. I don't remember having German measles but I must have, had measles, but not mumps. Not chickenpox

Vaccine-shedding, as mentioned by Kisathecat*, has pretty much been debunked. It's a minuscule problem that's been hijacked by anti-vacc conspiracy theorists. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_shedding

Maybe vaccines don't give you 100% immunity but I'd still be happy with 90% immunity against diphtheria/tetanus/flu/whatever. Maybe if the BCG had been available back in the day my father wouldn't have lost his mother, two siblings and a niece to TB.

MMR has been routine in many countries for ages.

One of my dds was born in Abu Dhabi - she was given the MMR at 12 months. New babies there was also routinely vaccinated soon after birth for TB, since there was a lot of it about, much of it among the vast army of relatively cheap labour imported from India and Pakistan.

A young lad I worked with went on Haj and contracted TB. He looked ill for months poor soul. We were told by healthcare that it was nothing to be concerned about, but secretly I was, a bit.
I didn’t know about smallpox being about so near to me.
The flu epidemic was terrible. My dad was on a tram from Holmfirth to Huddersfield and a man just keeled over and died. Dad got it as well, but pulled through. They were the only family in the village not to lose someone to flu.
It must’ve been so frightening. A sore throat..a temperature and it could be a catastrophe.

I remember the signs in buses that warned: 'Spitting Forbidden'. This was because of the prevalence of TB. My class at school was the first to receive the BCG vaccination. This was preceded by the skin test which showed if we had the infection or had been exposed to it. A couple of girls were removed from school for treatment. As another preliminary, we were all lined up at a local hospital for chest X-rays, feeling very self-conscious about being seen in our vests. Modesty dictated that girls and boys were lined up on different days.
A year or so later, on a school trip to France, we knew what 'Défence de Cracher' meant!

All my children (born in the 80s and early 90s) were given the MMR vaccination - we lived overseas and it was a standard vaccination which no-one questioned. All of them were fine.

When I was a newly qualified physio I worked at a unit for children and young adults with learning and physical disabilities - one girl had profound problems due to her mother contracting German measles (Rubella) in early pregnancy and refusing an abortion on religious grounds

We are so lucky to have access to preventative medicine and antibiotics. My late husband's sister died of gastro-enteritis when she was 3 years old, around 1936.
Before I went to Australia for the birth of my granddaughter I was 'ordered' to have a German measles booster vaccination, as her doctor recommended it for any visitors. I thought that it was a bit over-the-top, but complied to make them happy.
I never had German measles as a child, and was very lucky in only catching it after I had my four children, and not during pregnancy.

My mother had diptheria as a child, before vaccinations. She made sure all her children were fully vaccinated as I did with mine and luckily my DD has with her children. If it's possible to protect yourself and your children from something you should

Re shedding: not all vaccines shed. Some travel vaccines do but not by the same routes as the disease itself (i.e. the disease could be airbourne but the vaccine shedding may only be in faeces)

And shedding only happens for a few days.

And is in no way the same as being a "carrier" and normal transmitter of a disease.

Shedding is more to do with excretion.

I agree my children were not vaccinated in the usual way
They took the homeopathic vaccines which are, I believe, much safer

Well I hope they keep well Tamayra and enjoy robust health

A randomized, blinded, placebo-controlled trial comparing antibody responses to homeopathic and conventional vaccines in university students.
Abstract at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30352746

CONCLUSIONS:

Homeopathic vaccines do not evoke antibody responses and produce a response that is similar to placebo. In contrast, conventional vaccines provide a robust antibody response in the majority of those vaccinated.

Also - naturalmedicines.therapeuticresearch.com/news/news-items/2019/august/homeopathic-vaccines-ineffective-alternatives.aspx

It depends what you mean by "safer"doesn't it? Scientists worked for decades to produce safe vaccinations and immunisations to safeguard against virulent diseases, but so many people believed instead a fraudulent invented "study" that claimed to have found a link between the MMR vaccine and autism - and STILL DO after the deception has been exposed.!

A quote from Natural Medicines , which calls itself "The most authoritative resource available on dietary supplements, natural medicines, and complementary alternative and integrative therapies." -

Homeopathic Vaccines: Ineffective Alternatives

The recent measles outbreak has highlighted the need to educate patients about the importance of vaccines. And as we approach back to school time, it’s even more vital to ensure that kids are getting vaccinated. Some parents might ask you about natural alternatives to conventional vaccines, particularly homeopathic vaccines. What should you tell them?

Homeopathic products contain extreme dilutions of substances, often so dilute that they contain undetectable amounts of the active ingredient. Homeopathy is based on the theory that disease symptoms can be treated by miniscule doses of substances that cause the same disease symptoms in larger doses. So, when it comes to homeopathic vaccines, miniscule amounts of an infectious material like measles or polio are included in a dilution known as a nosode. The amount included is so dilute that the product is essentially just water. These nosodes are being promoted by homeopaths as alternatives to vaccines, but they are very different. Conventional vaccines contain a small, but detectable, amount of a killed or weakened bacteria or virus. This triggers the body to build antibodies against that particular bacteria or virus. There’s no evidence that nosodes have the same effect. While these vaccines are approved for sale in Canada, they’re required to include a warning stating that they should not be used as an alternative to vaccination.

While homeopathic vaccines and other homeopathic products aren’t likely to cause direct harm, make sure patients understand that they are NOT an effective alternative to conventional vaccines or medications. There is no scientific evidence showing that they actually work better than a placebo. Ease fears about conventional vaccines using the Conversation Starter: Vaccine Adherence: Addressing Myths and Hesitancy. And remind parents that 1 in 5 children who get measles end up in the hospital, and 1 to 3 in 1,000 children who get measles will die – it’s not worth the risk.

*I agree my children were not vaccinated in the usual way
They took the homeopathic vaccines which are, I believe, much safer*

They are "safe" in terms of side effects. Because substances that don't do anything dont have side effects.

Vaccines are supposed to do something to the body
So they can have reactions or sude effects
Because they work!

A glass of plain water would be safe - no side effects. A glass of water is also said to be a safe contraceptive - not before sex, not after, not even during, but instead of .

I suppose homeopathic vaccination used instead of ever encountering anyone else, so that there would never be any possibility of infection from them, would be both safe and effective. You'd have to live in a bubble, though.

Uh huh. Water is safer than antibiotics.

Antibiotics will do you more harm than good if you dont need em. Better off just having water and not ever getting a serious infection!

Tamayra, I'd be worried sick if my children weren't vaccinated. I wouldn't think it 'safer'!