The reason for vaccinations

www.vox.com/2019/4/15/18311377/measles-outbreak-2019

It is not true that Homeopathy doesn't do anything,
It is the current belief because the Pharma companies do not want to be undermined.

That is what i believe and I don't care if anyone doesn't agree but I want to put my opinion out there as well.

You may have your own opinion Pinkquartz but you are totally mistaken.

But you cant have it both ways.

If you say it doesnt do anything side effect wise..
..
That means it doesnt do anything to change the body. So isnt a vaccine.

If it has no side effects. It has no effects.

Its just doing nothing.

You may think no reactions/side effects = safe.

But you're not innoculated. You might get lucky and not catch anything anyway. But I wouldnt call that safe.

Food has side effects and potential reactions. Exercise has side effects. A massage has side effects and potential reactions. Everything that does something to your body has side effects and potential reactions.

If it has no potential side effects or reactions it is doing exactly zero to change anything in your body

You are entitled to your opinion, pinkquartz, but the whole point of a vaccination is that it causes the immune system to form antibodies to the disease whose cells (usually dead ones, but sometimes a weakened strain is used) have been introduced into the body, so that it is ready to defeat the live cells if infected in the future.

The link I gave above was to a study which found that not the subjects given a homeopathic "vaccination" developed no more antibodies than those given a placebo, while those given the real vaccination developed increased antibodies. As a vaccination, it is not fit for purpose.

Correction. A surplus "not" crept into " . . found that the subjects given a homeopathic "vaccination" developed no more antibodies than those given a placebo . . "

If you are anti vaccine why buy a faux vaccine?

Seems a contradiction to me?

@Kisathecat your information regarding immune response is incorrect. Vaccinated individuals DO mount an immune response which is what protects them. They are NOT carriers of disease as the vaccine is given in an attenuated form.

I can remember being at school with children who were left crippled from polio. When the vaccine came out in the late 1950s, we were all taken to the clinic for our jabs, and now polio is almost unknown in this country. Go back another generation and my Dad could remember their neighbour's children dying of diphtheria, and his mother being desperately worried that he and his siblings would catch it.

We are so lucky to have effective protection available for these awful diseases. It is good that the "herd immunity" helps protect the few who are not able to have the vaccines, but it's not fair for others to get a free ride and take advantage of the actions of the sensible majority who have their children vaccinated. I live in an area where the uptake of some vaccines is getting dangerously low, because there is a lot of "new-age", alternative lifestyle thinking, and parents who like to think that meditation, tea tree oil or homeopathy will be just as effective (which of course they're not). If I had children in a local school this would make me really cross, as it's so irresponsible.

I know a survivor of a TB outbreak (before there were treatments). He lived. Others institutionalised with him died.

Some people do survive if you "take your chances". But its a huge gamble

And exposure doesnt strengthen your immune system. It weakens it. It changes your DNA. I have lifelong (thankfully not too serious) effects of having a childhood illness. It did NOT make me stronger. It made me very ill and afterwards I had relapses and was vulnerable to other illnesses as a result.

The "strengthen their immune system by not vaxing and exposing them" arguement can only be sold to a generation that have been saved from widespread serious childhood illnesses thanks to medical advances!

notanan

and what do you know about Homeopathy?

I never said Homeopathy works as an immunization....just that Homeopathy doesn't do nothing.
there is a difference.

And are you just repeating something you have heard but you don't actually know about?

The most recent study:
www.theguardian.com/science/2019/oct/31/measles-wipes-out-immune-systems-memory-study-finds?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_

pinkquartz I agree. Homeopathy is very effective for the right uses. The Royal Family have lived to a ripe old age and never travel without it. There are NHS homeopathic hospitals in the UK.

Not any more. www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/06/05/high-court-backs-nhs-decision-stop-funding-homeopathy/

Grannyticktock. (Love the nameBTW). Polio now exists in only 3 -4 countries in the world thanks to the enormously hard work of WHO, Rotary international and the Bill Gates Foundation. Check out Rotary End Polio Now.

sparklefizz

yes the Royal Family use Homeopathy.
In fact the late Queen Mother was a firm believer in it.

Those who say I am mistaken MawB...how do you that?

You don't !

I think some of you poster don't know how to think deeply on this....Big Pharma companies pay people in powerful positions to denigrate that which goes against them

Quoting newspaper articles means nothing because everything is corrupt by money . You know Fake News.

I doubt any of you really know much about Homeopathy
or am I wrong?

So if it is true that Big Pharma are so scared of the competition that they are willing to pay out good money to get lies spread about homeopathy, why don't they just give up manufacturing their other drugs and instead make and sell homeopathic products themselves, and profit by the success they would then have in curing illness?

To me it is far more likely that the many trials and studies that have proved that homeopathy is no better than placebo are the truth, and that the principles that underlie the theory of healing are contrary to the laws of physics and chemistry.

Perhaps it is just those who have zero knowledge of scientific facts and methods who find homeopathy credible and convincing, or perhaps what achieves cures is the close attention of the practitioners which encourages patients to believe and thus to cure themselves by mind over matter?

Kisathecat, The number of children worldwide whose lives have been saved or have been saved from disability by being vaccinated far exceeds the very few who might have been disabled by having the vaccination. There is nothing in life that is totally risk free, and this certainly applies to medecine, whose main purpose is to cure or limit illness.

The risks of non-vaccination far exceed those of vaccination.

Elegran I assume from your posts that you have never suffered a life-spoiling illness that can't be treated/cured with conventional medicine, and therefore in desperation have turned to alternative therapies??

I have, and fortunately I was brought up to have an open mind. I was bedridden for 2 years, and a combination of several alternative therapies including homeopathy got me up on my feet. I was not 100% "cured" but at least able to live a more reasonable life and not have to spend all day every day in bed.

It is "horses for courses" as with conventional medicine.... what treats a broken leg would be no good for a heart attack. Homeopathy has its place - I would not use it myself in place of vaccination, so don't jump down my throat, but unless a person has researched and tried something, I don't think they are in a position to offer an informed opinion.