The reason for vaccinations

And exposure doesnt strengthen your immune system. It weakens it. It changes your DNA. I have lifelong (thankfully not too serious) effects of having a childhood illness. It did NOT make me stronger. It made me very ill and afterwards I had relapses and was vulnerable to other illnesses as a result.

The "strengthen their immune system by not vaxing and exposing them" arguement can only be sold to a generation that have been saved from widespread serious childhood illnesses thanks to medical advances!

I know a survivor of a TB outbreak (before there were treatments). He lived. Others institutionalised with him died.

Some people do survive if you "take your chances". But its a huge gamble

I can remember being at school with children who were left crippled from polio. When the vaccine came out in the late 1950s, we were all taken to the clinic for our jabs, and now polio is almost unknown in this country. Go back another generation and my Dad could remember their neighbour's children dying of diphtheria, and his mother being desperately worried that he and his siblings would catch it.

We are so lucky to have effective protection available for these awful diseases. It is good that the "herd immunity" helps protect the few who are not able to have the vaccines, but it's not fair for others to get a free ride and take advantage of the actions of the sensible majority who have their children vaccinated. I live in an area where the uptake of some vaccines is getting dangerously low, because there is a lot of "new-age", alternative lifestyle thinking, and parents who like to think that meditation, tea tree oil or homeopathy will be just as effective (which of course they're not). If I had children in a local school this would make me really cross, as it's so irresponsible.

@Kisathecat your information regarding immune response is incorrect. Vaccinated individuals DO mount an immune response which is what protects them. They are NOT carriers of disease as the vaccine is given in an attenuated form.

If you are anti vaccine why buy a faux vaccine?

Seems a contradiction to me?

Correction. A surplus "not" crept into " . . found that the subjects given a homeopathic "vaccination" developed no more antibodies than those given a placebo . . "

You are entitled to your opinion, pinkquartz, but the whole point of a vaccination is that it causes the immune system to form antibodies to the disease whose cells (usually dead ones, but sometimes a weakened strain is used) have been introduced into the body, so that it is ready to defeat the live cells if infected in the future.

The link I gave above was to a study which found that not the subjects given a homeopathic "vaccination" developed no more antibodies than those given a placebo, while those given the real vaccination developed increased antibodies. As a vaccination, it is not fit for purpose.

Food has side effects and potential reactions. Exercise has side effects. A massage has side effects and potential reactions. Everything that does something to your body has side effects and potential reactions.

If it has no potential side effects or reactions it is doing exactly zero to change anything in your body

You may think no reactions/side effects = safe.

But you're not innoculated. You might get lucky and not catch anything anyway. But I wouldnt call that safe.

If it has no side effects. It has no effects.

Its just doing nothing.

But you cant have it both ways.

If you say it doesnt do anything side effect wise..
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That means it doesnt do anything to change the body. So isnt a vaccine.

You may have your own opinion Pinkquartz but you are totally mistaken.

It is not true that Homeopathy doesn't do anything,
It is the current belief because the Pharma companies do not want to be undermined.

That is what i believe and I don't care if anyone doesn't agree but I want to put my opinion out there as well.

www.vox.com/2019/4/15/18311377/measles-outbreak-2019

Tamayra, I'd be worried sick if my children weren't vaccinated. I wouldn't think it 'safer'!

Uh huh. Water is safer than antibiotics.

Antibiotics will do you more harm than good if you dont need em. Better off just having water and not ever getting a serious infection!

A glass of plain water would be safe - no side effects. A glass of water is also said to be a safe contraceptive - not before sex, not after, not even during, but instead of .

I suppose homeopathic vaccination used instead of ever encountering anyone else, so that there would never be any possibility of infection from them, would be both safe and effective. You'd have to live in a bubble, though.

*I agree my children were not vaccinated in the usual way
They took the homeopathic vaccines which are, I believe, much safer*

They are "safe" in terms of side effects. Because substances that don't do anything dont have side effects.

Vaccines are supposed to do something to the body
So they can have reactions or sude effects
Because they work!

A quote from Natural Medicines , which calls itself "The most authoritative resource available on dietary supplements, natural medicines, and complementary alternative and integrative therapies." -

Homeopathic Vaccines: Ineffective Alternatives

The recent measles outbreak has highlighted the need to educate patients about the importance of vaccines. And as we approach back to school time, it’s even more vital to ensure that kids are getting vaccinated. Some parents might ask you about natural alternatives to conventional vaccines, particularly homeopathic vaccines. What should you tell them?

Homeopathic products contain extreme dilutions of substances, often so dilute that they contain undetectable amounts of the active ingredient. Homeopathy is based on the theory that disease symptoms can be treated by miniscule doses of substances that cause the same disease symptoms in larger doses. So, when it comes to homeopathic vaccines, miniscule amounts of an infectious material like measles or polio are included in a dilution known as a nosode. The amount included is so dilute that the product is essentially just water. These nosodes are being promoted by homeopaths as alternatives to vaccines, but they are very different. Conventional vaccines contain a small, but detectable, amount of a killed or weakened bacteria or virus. This triggers the body to build antibodies against that particular bacteria or virus. There’s no evidence that nosodes have the same effect. While these vaccines are approved for sale in Canada, they’re required to include a warning stating that they should not be used as an alternative to vaccination.

While homeopathic vaccines and other homeopathic products aren’t likely to cause direct harm, make sure patients understand that they are NOT an effective alternative to conventional vaccines or medications. There is no scientific evidence showing that they actually work better than a placebo. Ease fears about conventional vaccines using the Conversation Starter: Vaccine Adherence: Addressing Myths and Hesitancy. And remind parents that 1 in 5 children who get measles end up in the hospital, and 1 to 3 in 1,000 children who get measles will die – it’s not worth the risk.

It depends what you mean by "safer"doesn't it? Scientists worked for decades to produce safe vaccinations and immunisations to safeguard against virulent diseases, but so many people believed instead a fraudulent invented "study" that claimed to have found a link between the MMR vaccine and autism - and STILL DO after the deception has been exposed.!

A randomized, blinded, placebo-controlled trial comparing antibody responses to homeopathic and conventional vaccines in university students.
Abstract at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30352746

CONCLUSIONS:

Homeopathic vaccines do not evoke antibody responses and produce a response that is similar to placebo. In contrast, conventional vaccines provide a robust antibody response in the majority of those vaccinated.

Also - naturalmedicines.therapeuticresearch.com/news/news-items/2019/august/homeopathic-vaccines-ineffective-alternatives.aspx

Well I hope they keep well Tamayra and enjoy robust health

I agree my children were not vaccinated in the usual way
They took the homeopathic vaccines which are, I believe, much safer

Re shedding: not all vaccines shed. Some travel vaccines do but not by the same routes as the disease itself (i.e. the disease could be airbourne but the vaccine shedding may only be in faeces)

And shedding only happens for a few days.

And is in no way the same as being a "carrier" and normal transmitter of a disease.

Shedding is more to do with excretion.

My mother had diptheria as a child, before vaccinations. She made sure all her children were fully vaccinated as I did with mine and luckily my DD has with her children. If it's possible to protect yourself and your children from something you should