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Flu and pneumonia vaccine tied to lower risk of Alzheimer’s.

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Greeneyedgirl Thu 30-Jul-20 10:24:54

I was listening the world service last night when I couldn’t sleep and caught some of Claudia Hammond’ programme All in the mind I think it was.

She was discussing some research that had been presented at the Alzheimer’s International Conference, from the University of Texas. They found that flu vaccs may be associated with some protection against Alzheimer’s disease, and the more regularly you have them the greater the protection. Also the pneumonia vacc.

I found this interesting but it’s important to note that this research may not have been through a rigorous peer review process yet, and may simply mean that those who have regular flu vaccs are more aware of keeping fit and healthy.

I think provokes further study at least, and another incentive to have the vacc?

B9exchange Thu 30-Jul-20 16:01:13

Used to think the flu jab was an independent choice, but I do think this winter it is more of a duty to keep infections down. If it also might protect, even slightly, against Alzheimers, that is just an added bonus! smile

Greeneyedgirl Thu 30-Jul-20 16:05:51

I wonder if this will sway the anti vaxxers at all?

Esspee Thu 30-Jul-20 16:17:18

HRT has been shown to protect against Alzheimer’s too. 😁

TwiceAsNice Thu 30-Jul-20 17:14:23

Apparently the pneumonia jab appears to give some protection against Covid’s severe lung symptoms in more ill patients

Sparklefizz Thu 30-Jul-20 17:18:58

I never usually have the flu vaccine, but this year I definitely will, and will also ask for the pneumonia jab.

maryrose54 Sun 02-Aug-20 14:14:11

My surgery invited me to have the pneumonia vaccine as I'm over 65. The nurse told me that it's a good one to have at the moment. Apparently over 65s only need one dose, then no repeat.

EllanVannin Sun 02-Aug-20 14:38:23

Up to date hearing aids are a must to guard against Alzheimer's as well because it's been found that those who are hard of hearing can succumb to this illness more so than those with normal hearing.

As for the 'flu-jab, I have mine booked for the 24th of next month before the rush. My pneumonia vaccine was done 12 years ago, apparently no need for a repeat. The shingles one was done a few months back.

Greeneyedgirl Sun 02-Aug-20 20:14:38

Didn’t realise they’ve started flu jabs yet EV?

Greeneyedgirl Sun 02-Aug-20 20:15:28

I didn’t know that about hearing loss either.

BlueSky Sun 02-Aug-20 23:06:14

Greeneyedgirl or are these rumours put about to encourage flu & pneumonia jabs?

growstuff Mon 03-Aug-20 01:50:54

Greeneyedgirl

Didn’t realise they’ve started flu jabs yet EV?

My surgery invited me for the 15 September, but all their sessions are already booked up and they can't give me a date yet.

BlueBelle Mon 03-Aug-20 06:54:46

They haven’t started yet well not here anyway I will do what I do every year and pop in my boots pharmacy when I m out shopping

Furret Mon 03-Aug-20 07:20:07

I’m wondering just how people can catch ‘flu this year. I’m staying away from crowded places, wearing a mask when I do venture out, and keeping to social distancing and hand hygiene.

Both ‘flu and Covid have similar transmissions systems. If you're at risk of catching one then you are at risk of catching either or both.

Furret Mon 03-Aug-20 07:23:56

Also this from the BMJ

Flu shots and the risk of coronavirus infections
John Watkins is right; we need to think beyond containment, but he overlooks the possibility that seasonal flu shots are potential contributors to the current outbreak. (BMJ 2020;398:m810—February 28)….A randomized placebo-controlled trial in children showed that flu shots increased fivefold the risk of acute respiratory infections caused by a group of noninfluenza viruses, including coronaviruses. (Cowling et al, Clin Infect Dis 2012;54:1778) From Table 3, vaccine recipients had 20 noninfluenza virus-positive ARIs and 19 virus-negative ARIs; non-recipients had 3 noninfluenza virus-positive ARIs and 14 virus-negative ARIs. These figures yield an odds ratio of 4.91 (CI 1.04 to8.14).

Such an observation may seem counterintuitive, but it is possible that influenza vaccines alter our immune systems non-specifically to increase susceptibility to other infections; this has been observed with DTP and other vaccines. (Benn et al, Trends in Immunology, May 2013) There are other immune mechanisms that might also explain the observation.

To investigate this possibility, a case-control study is in order as we study and care for the victims of covid-19. Influenza vaccines have become sacred cows in some quarters, but they shouldn’t be.

BlueSky Mon 03-Aug-20 08:43:00

Furret that's worrying, when everybody will be rushing to be vaccinated even people who don't usually. Hard to know what to do for the best.

Greeneyedgirl Mon 03-Aug-20 09:26:50

I saw that research Furret and it does seem more concerning than in other years when the most common coronavirus we would encounter would be the common cold, which isn’t life threatening, whereas flu kills many, mostly elderly each year.

It would explain the fact that some attest that after the flu vacc they have had more colds and coughs, and some in fact swear their vacc caused them to have flu. I have always taken this with a pinch of salt, as the flu vacc is attenuated and cant cause flu.......but now perhaps a susceptibility to coronoviruses may in fact be true.

Needs more research, as you say and on balance I will have it this year I think. To become ill from flu or COVID-19, which to choose 🤔

Furret Mon 03-Aug-20 14:10:30

BlueSky

Furret that's worrying, when everybody will be rushing to be vaccinated even people who don't usually. Hard to know what to do for the best.

I agree.