The Vaccine

Please, please check your facts before posting. The Moderna vaccine needs to be stored at -70 deg C. Getting that wrong makes me wonder about tbe rest of your post

We'll have it when out turn comes. We're from a 'medical' family and all our DC and DGC are fully immunised, including the one who has an allergy to eggs so she has to have a slightly different flu immunisation.

Well the 'flu vaccination did nothing for me last Christmas and into the New Year.
The Moderna vaccine would be my preference as it uses Covid's genetic code as opposed to others which use weakened versions of the virus itself which is why it has to be kept in the coldest temperature whereas Moderna sits comfortably inside the fridge.

Ziggy1914

I am not a conspiracy theorist I have done my research and choose not to have it thank you very much if you want to go ahead and have it then that's your choice just as I have a choice

Researchers do research for which they have advanced degrees are privy to websites not available to the general public and written in language that the average person does not have the education to comprehend. So let’s be clear, just because you can type a question into a dialogue box does not mean you are doing “research”.

If offered the vaccine I will definitely have it. I'm hoping that my elderly parents who are both in their 80s will be offered it quickly. They've said that they will both accept it too. I'm their bubble and also have long term disabilities but don't know how long I'll need to wait.

The Oxford vaccine is based on a similar one which was already being worked on, with variations to suit the CoVid19 virus. That speeded up the development. That may also apply to other vaccines.
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-the-story-of-oxfords-coronavirus-vaccine-that-could-save-britain-12139898
"For several years she and her colleagues had been working in their lab in the suburbs of Oxford on animal viruses that spread to humans.

They had one vaccine already in clinical trials, with encouraging results showing that it was effective against the coronavirus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS).

When news emerged from China that MERS had a cousin, a related coronavirus that causes similar symptoms, her lab was able to hit the ground running.

They adapted their vaccine technology to target COVID-19.

Good words

George Monbiot
@GeorgeMonbiot

Quite aside from the public harm they do, conspiracy theories are a tragedy for those who succumb to them. They reduce the fascinating complexities of the world to crashing simplicities, impoverishing people's intellectual and emotional lives.

Oh yes! I can’t wait. I’ve been shielding for ever it seems . I’ll be first in the queue

Go for it!

Yes. I'm happy to have the Covid Vaccine. I would prefer the Oxford one, simply because the trials here will have been conducted within the guidelines currently in use in the UK, but would not turn down any other, with the possible exception of the Russian one!

Daftbag1

I'm 59, and fall into the moderate risk group due to multiple pre existing conditions. In addition, I take 21 different medications every day.

I think It unlikely that I would take up a vaccine, for a number of reasons;

1) I'm already a walking chemical factory, as far as I'm aware no testing has taken place within the older age groups who are taking multiple drugs. I do not plan to become a guinea pig.

2) New vaccines are usually the subject of several years of testing, not 10 months from start to finnish

3) Apparently, a very high proportion of medical professionals will NOT have the vaccination

I'm also feeling very vulnerable listening to public opinion on Radio 2. I feel so strongly that I'm panicked about the possibility of being forced to have the vaccinations (don't forget it's twice that you will be vaccinated). And I f the vaccine is not compulsory, it sounds as though those of us who are not vaccinated will be the victims of systemic discrimination. It terrifies me to be honest.

I've said it before on this thread and its understandable to have concerns, but its also necessary to listen to the actual facts and not be misled by misinformation.

1) I'm sure your doctor will be able to make an informed view of whether vaccination is right for you personally, that you will be able to discuss with him/her.

2) Several posts on this thread have explained how this has been done so quickly. No corners have been cut and the safety and effectiveness trails have been as complete as any trials have before.

3) This one, I'm afraid, is just not true. Its only said by anti-vaxxers to try to bolster people's fears about the vaccine.

Radio 2 is not a good source of information about vaccines. Especially if you are listening to Jeremy Vine. It will not be compulsory and if you are medically exempt, that's acceptable. If you are just choosing not to have it, well, with rights come responsibilities and there may be things you are unable to do in the future because you will not be protected.

I agree with 'vickymeldrew' there is information out there for all of us to read. Its not as if these scientists are starting from scratch either in developing these vaccines. They already knew a considerable amount about viruses in general as to how they operate. Thousands of people have been involved in trials across the world and all I've heard of from some of these volunteers who have received the vaccine, is very minor side effects. I am sure we would have heard from anyone if they had severe or concerning side effects from receiving this vaccine. Newspapers would certainly headline anything negative. People worry about long-term side effects but I was listening to one of the scientists involved in the trials who explained in a lot of detail how the vaccine worked ( it was totally fascinating how they've done this ) & how this was not possible with these particular vaccines. If people had any reaction, it would be immediate rather than long-term. the most I've heard of in terms of reactions is localised low level tenderness around the area vaccinated which quickly disappeared & some have complained of being a bit fluey for a couple of days afterwards. So bottom line, I will definitely be having the vaccine when offered to me. I am 67 in case that's relevant & my husband likewise, he's 79.

I'm 59, and fall into the moderate risk group due to multiple pre existing conditions. In addition, I take 21 different medications every day.

I think It unlikely that I would take up a vaccine, for a number of reasons;

1) I'm already a walking chemical factory, as far as I'm aware no testing has taken place within the older age groups who are taking multiple drugs. I do not plan to become a guinea pig.

2) New vaccines are usually the subject of several years of testing, not 10 months from start to finnish

3) Apparently, a very high proportion of medical professionals will NOT have the vaccination

I'm also feeling very vulnerable listening to public opinion on Radio 2. I feel so strongly that I'm panicked about the possibility of being forced to have the vaccinations (don't forget it's twice that you will be vaccinated). And I f the vaccine is not compulsory, it sounds as though those of us who are not vaccinated will be the victims of systemic discrimination. It terrifies me to be honest.

Yes, willingly. My mother had a hospital/medical phobia and refused to let me have polio and TB jabs as a child. When she was elderly and of course refusing a flu jab, she caught influenza and it turned into pneumonia, which she survived by the skin of her teeth,
She has left me with a slight hospital phobia but I have regular flu jabs, even though a couple have caused reactions, better that than full blown pneumonia.
The scientists etc all working on this vaccine are true heroes and the conspiracy nuts completely bewilder me. What good has come out of so many countries brought to their knees?

Ziggy1914

I am not a conspiracy theorist I have done my research and choose not to have it thank you very much if you want to go ahead and have it then that's your choice just as I have a choice

Indeed! So why tell people to do their research? And why try to persuade people that you are right? It's none of your business.

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Gwenisgreat1

I think it should be illegal not to have the vaccine!! Unless, of course, there are medical reasons

I don't agree. Until it's established whether the vaccine prevents transmission, the only people who will suffer are those refusing to be vaccinated - and the people who will have to treat them, if they need an NHS bed.

We still don't know whether "herd immunity" can be achieved because it could be that people will still be contagious.

I am not a conspiracy theorist I have done my research and choose not to have it thank you very much if you want to go ahead and have it then that's your choice just as I have a choice

Not everyone will be allowed to have the vaccine so the more who are willing to have it the better for those who, for medical reasons, may not be able to.

It’s blatantly untrue that anti-vaxxers children always grow up healthy and remain healthy as adults. The measles outbreak a few years ago demonstrated that, with blindness and hearing loss being some of the consequences. I know several families who have lost members to meningitis as well, and a man who became infertile as a result of having mumps in his late teens. Threads like this infuriate me. Research reputable sources for goodness sake not conspiracy theories.

I think it should be illegal not to have the vaccine!! Unless, of course, there are medical reasons

Sawsage2

I'm needle phobic but have to have blood taken every few months for hyperthyroidism but get so worked up about the needle I nearly faint by the time I have it. But don't want covid so will have to have it I suppose.

You’d have a lot more needles inserted if you got Covid so it’s probably a fair swap - good luck when the time comes.

I'm needle phobic but have to have blood taken every few months for hyperthyroidism but get so worked up about the needle I nearly faint by the time I have it. But don't want covid so will have to have it I suppose.

anewstart and other anti-vaxers can thank the rest of us for keeping them and their family safe and healthy thus far.
Tempted to quote another thread about karma but.....

The UK lost its WHO "measles-free" status last year because so many parents have opted not to have their children vaccinated. Measles is one of the most contagious viruses around and can lead to serious long-term health effects.