The Vaccine

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Yay!
We can have an icecream after our jabs if we don't cry.

It has been mooted that isolation could affect the immune system due to loneliness causing stress which could make you more susceptible to viruses.
Would that be more of a reason to have the vaccine?

If someone's immune system is really suppressed due to medication then expert medical advice would be sought from the patient's consultant or GP.

growstuff

I don't think teachers are automatically offered flu jabs (could be wrong). When I was teaching in schools, I don't ever remember any promotions to encourage teachers to be vaccinated. I've been having one for years because I have diabetes, not because I was a teacher.

Just to add a little information, growstuff, I checked with 2 of our family members who are teachers in different parts of Scotland, and they were both offered the flu vaccine (free). One had it in school, which apparently happens every year, and the other had an appointment at a centre in the town. I realise that it might not be the case in England, Wales or NI.

Apparently queen and d of e are to receive jab and make it known to try and convince all the doubters to follow suit

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The COVID vaccination is just a vaccination like any other vaccination. There is nothing special about it. Did anyone get as worried about the effects of childhood vaccinations when DGC are having them or AC had them as children?

Even the speed of its development is not unusual. As I have pointed out before the Ebola vaccination was developed just as quickly - and I do not remember all this hand-wringing over that vaccine. Just joy and relief that a vaccine had been found so soon.

Yes, some jabs do make you feel rottten for a while after, but unless you are disciple of Andrew Wakefield, they do not cause permanent side effects unrelated to their purpose.

Too many people with time on their hands during lockdown have been getting depressed and doom laden and ready to follow up on any bad or fake news and ignore everything positive.

Most of you have had the flu vaccination, what is different about the COVID vaccination.

Daddima with both my AC involved in research, one of them a scientist, I recognised so much of what was said in that clip you posted.

Just been listening to How to Vaccinate the World on BBC Radio 4.

Pregnant women will not be offered the vaccine as they have not trialled the virus on this population. They are very much aware of the Thalidomide disaster and do not want a repeat.

ayse

Just been listening to How to Vaccinate the World on BBC Radio 4.

Pregnant women will not be offered the vaccine as they have not trialled the virus on this population. They are very much aware of the Thalidomide disaster and do not want a repeat.

Oh no, I'd just about managed to ignore
thoughts of that disaster yesterday, then it rears its head again today. Was that spoken about by the medics or just a listener's question?

Which makes it even more important for everyone that can have the vaccine to have it, thereby protecting pregnant women. Anti vaccer’s will probably use it as an argument against having the vaccine when, in fact it’s the opposite.

The thalidomide disaster was 50 years ago. The current testing and approval system is immeasurably different and better.

I really do not understand why people keep referring to it. It is totally irrelevant. It wasn't even a vaccine.

M0nica

The thalidomide disaster was 50 years ago. The current testing and approval system is immeasurably different and better.

I really do not understand why people keep referring to it. It is totally irrelevant. It wasn't even a vaccine.

I agree M0nica - it's like insisting on writing a letter when you could be emailing or texting or video-calling. Life and technology have moved on.

I agree that life has moved on, in leaps and bounds in the past 50 years. What I don't agree with is how some people can't see why pregnant women or indeed women currently planning a child might feel worried at the mention of anything foreign going into the body and affecting the unborn child. It is very likely their minds will jump back to this tragedy as I know mine would.

Elliane,

It was in answer to a question. They are not sure about lactating women either.

Monica,

I’m just repeating what the scientist said on the above programme.

Incidentally, they also do not know if there will be any long term effects of the vaccines either.

The programme was very interesting and is available on BBC sounds, in four parts if anyone is interested.

Thank you ayse I haven't had time to listen to it yet.

I agree that extra care has to be taken with pregnant or breast-feeding women. I can remember having a respiratory infection in pregnancy and the doctor spending 10 minutes paging through his copy of MIMS trying to find an antibiotic that was safe for me to take in that condition as I am allergic to penicillin.

But automatically harking back to an irrelevant tragedy that happened 50 years ago, passes my understanding.

M0nica

The thalidomide disaster was 50 years ago. The current testing and approval system is immeasurably different and better.

I really do not understand why people keep referring to it. It is totally irrelevant. It wasn't even a vaccine.

I think the issue is that none of the phase 3 trials have involved pregnant women. I believe that the link with thalidomide is that reseachers are still very wary of including pregnant women in trials partly because of thalidomide.

Pregnant women Are always excluded from drug trials and have been for years. As far as I know there are no plans to vaccinate women in this condition nor those who are breast feeding.

Why do people get so worked up about things that are not going to happen and the fact that these vaccine trials have followed normal protocols.

M0nica

Pregnant women Are always excluded from drug trials and have been for years. As far as I know there are no plans to vaccinate women in this condition nor those who are breast feeding.

Why do people get so worked up about things that are not going to happen and the fact that these vaccine trials have followed normal protocols.

I fully agree M0nica, I was only commenting that researchers themselves on the programme mentioned that one of the reasons that pregnant women are exclude from trials goes back to Thalidomide.

In fact, it’s a really difficult ethical question as the result of this is that, after a drug is adopted, eventually pregnant woman get it with no real trial taking place, and many researchers are of the opinion that pregnant women should be included in trials.

They conducted a poll on GMB this morning on whether people would have the vaccine or not the results were disappointing only 53% said they would 47% said no.

Dr.Hilary Jones went on to say that only people with severe anaphylactic reactions and carry an epipen should not at the moment have the vaccine. He didn't mention pregnant or breast feeding Mums but I think he covered that earlier in the week.

"Severe allergic reactions to vaccines are "very rare", says Prof David Salisbury, the former director of immunisation at the UK's Department of Health, amid concerns about the adverse responses in two people who had the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid jab.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, he said "they happen in the order of about one in a million doses "and staff who give the vaccine are trained to deal with them.

"We need to be very careful to separate out coincidence from causality," Prof Salisbury said.

I wonder if those who say they wouldn’t have the current Pfizer vaccine mean they wouldn’t have any covid jab or just specifically the current Pfizer one?

It’s surprising how many people I have spoken to recently have said they trust the Oxford one more, without giving any reason why.

Maybe if a poll were conducted giving people the choice between the Pfizer or Oxford vaccine, the result might be surprising.

Of course unfortunately there will always be those who will refuse to have any of the vaccinations which will be available in the months to come.

How can they be persuaded, that’s the question.

JenniferEccles I think that some people have done research into Pfizer's record and discovered how flawed they are. They have multi-million dollar judgements against them in the US. Their scientists my be great but the management and sales dept aren't.

Posted this yesterday, but I'll just put it here again. Its Astra Zeneca's record of lawsuits since 2000. No company is immune to lawsuits, even ones who develop vaccines. (see what I did there?)

violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/astrazeneca

I haven’t heard any suggestion that people will be given a choice as to which vaccine they will be given, only that if there’s a clinical contra-indication to a particular one they may be offered an alternative. Have I missed some information about that?