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So - now masks protect the wearer?

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ExD Wed 13-Jan-21 17:22:48

To begin with we were told that we wore our masks in order to prevent us from spreading the covid virus to other people - remember "I wear my mask to protect HIM".

Now we're told we wear then to protect ourselves!

How can we be sure this isn't a load of propaganda to make sure we all wear masks? (not that I object to wearing a mask)

Skye17 Sun 17-Jan-21 16:19:52

Biscuitmuncher

I'm miserable, I've never been more miserable in my life. I say this as a person who has never struggled with stress anxiety or any other mental health problems. I've just about had a gut full. I feel like everyday is just something to get through. My whole life is on hold and has been for a year for the sack of others

I do sympathise. These are really hard times flowers

It will improve, though. Might it help to think of 5 things you are thankful for once a day? That makes me feel a bit better.

MayBee70 Sun 17-Jan-21 16:28:12

Biscuitmuncher: I do sympathise with you up to a point but I am shielding, not just for myself but to protect others. So to say your life is being made miserable ‘for the sake of others’ seems very uncaring. I’m shielding to protect you as well as myself. We’re all in this together: we’re only as safe as the weakest link. I do, however realise that my family are dealing well with the pandemic because our lifestyles lend themselves to isolation, home schooling, home working etc and I do try to think of people eg in flats, who are isolated etc. And the internet is a great source of comfort. Don’t you find being on gransnet helps you?

SuzannahM Sun 17-Jan-21 16:31:24

Biscuitmuncher My whole life is on hold and has been for a year for the sack of others

I feel sorry for anyone who is miserable being at home right now but that sentence says it all really. You obviously feel this pandemic is nothing to do with you or yours.

Maybe you're right though, and the powers that be just have some vested interest in keeping you at home.

Biscuitmuncher Sun 17-Jan-21 17:32:13

Whatever the logic whatever the reasoning, there's the part of me that isn't alteristic enough to willing give up everything that made my life enjoyable

Elegran Sun 17-Jan-21 17:35:45

Delayed gratification isn't your thing? Not even temporarily?

Biscuitmuncher Sun 17-Jan-21 17:42:39

Since when was a year temporary

M0nica Sun 17-Jan-21 17:48:39

Biscuitmuncher Other people's lives are on hold for your sake and the sake of those you care about.

If your behaviour affected only you and if anything happened only you would be affected, I would say 'go ahead, do what you like' but life isn't like that. Your actions will affect other people. This lockdown life is pretty depressing for everyone and we all want tit to end.

The end of lockdown will come when everyone just grits their teeth, obeys the rules and the vaccine becomes widely used.

Biscuitmuncher Sun 17-Jan-21 17:55:38

My whole point is, I don't know anyone who's been really ill with it, not even friends of friends. So it feels more than difficult to be so sad so miserable for the sake of people I don't know. I would never mention this in every day life. But it feels difficult to imprison myself for what feels nothing

MayBee70 Sun 17-Jan-21 18:01:44

I think it’s horrible to say that you don’t feel empathy for people you don’t know. Do the figures you see on the news mean nothing to you? Or don’t you believe them perhaps?

Biscuitmuncher Sun 17-Jan-21 18:07:47

A years worth of empathy? And I really don't believe what I hear on the news

MayBee70 Sun 17-Jan-21 18:09:37

I thought you didn’t. ‘Nuff said. Makes sense now.

Lucca Sun 17-Jan-21 18:51:37

Biscuitmuncher

A years worth of empathy? And I really don't believe what I hear on the news

Sorry but that has been clear all along.
I’ll ask again. What should happen in your view ? No lockdown ? No masks ? No vaccine ?
How old are you by the way ?
Do you have family ?

M0nica Sun 17-Jan-21 18:58:21

Biscuitmuncher I do not know anyone who has had COVID, but I do know that DH was discharged early from hospital because of the demand for hospital beds. Half the ward he was in had been sealed off completely to house COVID patients and I am sure the ward, now, is probably entirely given to such patients.

And I really don't believe what I hear on the news What do you mean by that? Are you talking just about COVID or do you not believe that Trump supporters attacked The Capitol, I assume you no one who took part, ditto the severe earthquake on the Greece/Turkey which killed about 20 people. or do you just pick and choose what news to believe and what to not believe.

Biscuitmuncher Sun 17-Jan-21 19:01:11

Yes I've family, I shielded my mum she had COPD but that had a terrible effect on her she had delirium and spent 3 months in hospital it took me forever to get any help for her, the only time I had any help was when the police found her wandering around a country lane in her slippers.
My children are all still at home some are still at school and it's just getting impossible now

overthehill Sun 17-Jan-21 19:21:16

Biscuitmuncher

My whole point is, I don't know anyone who's been really ill with it, not even friends of friends. So it feels more than difficult to be so sad so miserable for the sake of people I don't know. I would never mention this in every day life. But it feels difficult to imprison myself for what feels nothing

My brother-in-law died back last Easter and a neighbour opposite was a mental health nurse, he died along with the other 4 people in the office

Lucca Sun 17-Jan-21 19:26:31

My friend and her husband both had Covid. She is still not fighting fit three months on. Another friend, one of the fittest people I know and only 52, had it in December as did her entire family,
Need I go on?

growstuff Sun 17-Jan-21 19:34:57

I haven't known anybody personally who has died, which is maybe not surprising because I don't know many people older than I am and in at risk groups. However, the father of a friend died and I do know personally a number of people who have been infected and are still not well months later.

growstuff Sun 17-Jan-21 19:38:33

Biscuitmuncher I don't understand why you claim that other people are miserable, when it sounds like you are the one who isn't coping. Rather than resorting to all the lockdown sceptic hacks, try to accept the situation for what it is and make the best of it. The situation with your children isn't impossible. It's difficult, but not impossible.

Greeneyedgirl Sun 17-Jan-21 19:39:00

I am sorry Biscuitmuncher you are obviously not in a good place just now and everyone’s experience is different. I am sure no one is enjoying the restrictions place upon us, or the worry about loved ones, but hey we have no choice.

We can only live in the present and cope in the best ways that we can. We can’t personally influence the future, and everything passes......eventually. I’m glad you can say how you feel on here, but please, for your own sanity, try and find ways of coping to enable you to get through this. I know it’s tough.

Biscuitmuncher Sun 17-Jan-21 19:41:34

I'm so very sorry that covid has had such an awful effect on your family. Lockdown has done the same to my family

Galaxy Sun 17-Jan-21 19:42:23

Also surely we dont just believe in things we see personally. Nobody lives like that. I havent been to Norway but am pretty sure it exists.

growstuff Sun 17-Jan-21 19:45:04

A long read (especially wading through the first few paragraphs), but explains quite well why people listen to those who spread "fake news":

quillette.com/2021/01/16/rise-of-the-coronavirus-cranks/

An extract:

"The answer, I think, lies in despair. Since March, there has been a sense of living in a nightmare from which one cannot awake. The non-pharmaceutical interventions introduced to contain the virus—especially lockdowns—have been soul-destroying. The economy is battered beyond belief, redundancies have gone through the roof, and there are more grey weeks of a cold winter lockdown to endure. On the other hand, we also have a potentially lethal and frequently debilitating virus infecting at least 50,000 people a day, hospitalising 4,000, and killing close to a thousand. That, too, will go on for weeks and, assuming you believe in germ theory and exponential growth, these figures would be much worse if we resumed normal social contact.

It’s an awful situation to be in. It’s a zero-sum game in which disease and death is traded off against misery and poverty. Until the first vaccine arrived in December, COVID scepticism offered people a way out. If the dangers of the virus were being overhyped by fearmongers, and lockdowns were entirely ineffective, then societies could reopen secure in the knowledge that there was nothing that could be done to reduce the death toll (which would, in any case, be a fraction of what we were told). The comforting lie that trade-offs could be avoided has proved irresistible to those who have surrendered to confirmation bias and constructed a parallel and preferable version of reality."

growstuff Sun 17-Jan-21 19:45:30

Biscuitmuncher

I'm so very sorry that covid has had such an awful effect on your family. Lockdown has done the same to my family

No, it hasn't.

MaggsMcG Sun 17-Jan-21 19:46:08

Wearing gloves does not protect you or anyone else unless you change them every time you touch anything!! Otherwise you are just spreading the virus from your gloves to everything you touch. (If its on them of course which is not always the case). Masks are a different thing altogether as long as you wear it correctly dispose of it correctly and don't touch the outside and then your face.

Biscuitmuncher Sun 17-Jan-21 20:12:29

growstuff yes it has