No jab no job

Because anyone can get a dbs check (what it shows is a different matter) but they are open to all. Vaccinations are not open to all so you exclude a section of society from many areas of work. There is something about it that makes me uncomfortable.

I work in care, and am on my way home from a house where the two occupants aren't going to be vaccinated.
They have a variety of people involved in their lives who are necessary (I suppose, if I'm taking a generous view) but I know for certain that one of these people is very, very involved with looking after grandchildren, taking adult children here, there and everywhere, and hasn't followed any guidelines at all, ever.

What a lot of fuss and bother. If I’m going on holiday to somewhere that requires a vaccination I either have the jab or book a different place to stay! No-one is forcing anybody to apply for a job with vaccination requirements. Just go and work for a company who doesn’t have them.
Similarly, if you want to work with children you need a DBS check. If you object, don’t work with children! I believe even Disney make vaccinations a requirement on occasion. What’s the big deal?

I work in care, I wouldn't want any relative of mine to be attended by a carer who had not been vaccinated. When I interview new staff we talk to them about their values and can bring vaccination into that discussion. If they are the type of people who take their views about the value of medication from antivax facebook sites they are not really suitable for the job anyway. I would certainly prefer a plumber who was vaccinated and as a friend of mine was extremely ill and hospitalised after being coughed on by a check out person early in the pandemic I'd want them to be vaccinated too, along with most other customer service staff.

I had Covid back in March,I was vaccinated three weeks ago and yet this week I have tested positive for coronavirus and I’m now having to self isolate. I did a lateral flow test this morning and that is negative but I have to go by the one that they did at work that get sent away..

Uncharacteristically

I find myself somewhat u characteristically uncertain about this this issue for various reasons which do not make a coherent whole. So I will ramble on incoherently. Firstly we need more information about transmission. IIRC the research we have is for AZ and found a reduction of maybe 67% in transmission. This research is far from the end of the story and more is being carried out. Secondly I haven’t seen any research re Pfizer yet on this. Also, there is still the issue of efficacy. So I wonder about what is known as ‘moral hazard’. Person A a carer is vaccinated and feels safe from catching or transmitting COVId and so gets careless about still following basic rules. Person B who is being cared for knows Person A is vaccinated so similarly might let their guard down.

Secondly, Pimlico plumbers want all their staff to be vaccinated. Are they also going to insist that all their customers are vaccinated?

Thirdly, it just makes me feel uncomfortable. I don’t think it’s right to ask staff caring for you if they’ve been vaccinated either. It will help when we know more about transmission and efficacy ( not to mention duration of protection)

I do worry about where this leads though. I worry about the impact will have on those with disabilities if people think they have the right to ask questions about peoples medical history etc.

Also if you are working with vulnerable people, and the jab means you are less likely to contract COVID, shouldn’t you have it?

I thought there was evidence that the Oxford jab decreased transmissibility?

It doesn’t apply to those already employed I believe, but you can insist on it for new employees.
I’ve spent many hours in a chemo unit over the past year or so and recently, since I’ve had my jab, brought up the ‘have you had one’ question to the nurses. Many have said No, to my surprise. Not my place to ask why, but I do wonder.

Is that on the assumption that those who have had the vaccine cannot catch covid or spread it while those who refuse can?
If so it is clearly nonsense.
The vaccines we have at the moment protect the one vaccinated, that is all.

I think if people want to exert their "right" not to have the jab, then they can't complain when others exert their right not to employ them.

Fine by me. I work with a covidiot that doesn't want the vaccine. Let him go.