COVID-19 etiquette and good manners after 19 July 2021

So I looked for that episode of The Twilight Zone on YouTube, but I found this version instead!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=75jw8c2Oimw

Only 581 views so far!

ElderlyPerson, are you pleased you found our merry band?

You have a very enquiring mind, a bit like myself. I drive my doctors mad, always asking questions!

I am grateful to the many of our posters, who find the statistics and post the relevant links. I just don't have the time!

I think its very interesting that you thought there might be a useful way of looking at things using this set of equations and there are in fact people looking at this. Thinking it might be worthwhile to do it is the inspired bit, IMO.

Alegrias1

I think you are hiding your light under a bushel ElderlyPerson

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8205281/

Thank you.

That makes me amazed.

The mathematics is beyond my level of mathematics at present.

I am wondering what that modelling implies should be public policy over COVID-19.

This thread appears to be hotting up.

I think you are hiding your light under a bushel ElderlyPerson

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8205281/

M0nica

I hope I am posting a photo with this. The text is rather intersting and this seemed the best COVID thread to post it on

I woke in the night and was thinking about that article.

I remembered something that I read about long ago.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotka%E2%80%93Volterra_equations

Please look at the following section.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotka%E2%80%93Volterra_equations#Physical_meaning_of_the_equations

Please look at those assumptions.

If the prey is people and COVID-19 is the predator, yet the prey is "available people" so prey in lockdown does not count as available prey,

Now I don't understand all of the equations and maybe I never will, but have a look please at the graph below that, the graph with the blue line and the brown line.

If the blue line were number of people not in lockdown or taking precautions (that is, the available prey) and the brown line were number of COVID-19 cases, does that give a look of what has been happening in the United Kingdom as time has proceeded over the recent year and a quarter?

If it does, then increasing available prey on 19 July ...

At present they are claiming that younger people are (usually) not badly affected by having COVID-19.

But is there any data on what is the situation if the person has a bad dose of winter 'flu when exposed to COVID-19?

I know it may not seem to follow, but in the way that my mind works sometimes, I was reminded of this and it made me wonder.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_(The_Twilight_Zone)

I'm not surprised it's not full of tourists as usual! It has a case incidence rate higher than the average for the UK (currently double where I live), despite all the advantages of being an island and a small resident population. I wonder why. [hmm}

Yes Growstuff rates are rising we have to test again day 8 so the biggest fear is testing positive and having to isolate although feeling absolutely fine. Would be a bugger and expensive due to go home day 12
But as for Covid itself we no longer fear it both vaccinated
Life has to go on wasted too much time in hibernation and Jersey is very quiet certainly not full of tourists as usual

MawBe

maddyone

Well said Alegrias.
I wonder how many people died of other conditions yesterday.

Beware of inflammatory statistics.

Yes, indeed.

Oh well, sorry, not sorry for quoting a figure. I had no intention of being inflammatory but 9 to 37 is IMHO a move in the wrong direction.
Will defer to superior intellects (?) now and shut up as my contributions are clearly unwelcome.,

No, they're not unwelcome.

rosie1959

Thank you Alegrais1 for your information without hype
Still in slightly windy Jersey where they have now stopped isolation just because you may or may not have been near someone with Covid Looks like the UK is following as too many in isolation
We have now deleted our Covid tracker App

I expect you know this, but case incidence rate in Jersey has risen very steeply over the last week and is now very high, even compared with the mainland.

Marydoll

*Elderly Person*, thanks for taking the time to post the link about rationing. To be honest, I was never a fan of Steptoe and Son, I couldn't quite take to Wilfred Bramble.
When I was teaching, one of our Social Studies topics was the Second World War. We had facsimilies of identity cards and ration books for the children to look at. I even brought in my own mother's identity card for the children to see. They were fascinated by the items we had, including gas masks and militaria.

Some historians claim that rationing was one of the biggest factors in the Allies' winning WW2. If you look back through the history of defeats in war, it's often because the population is fed up with the starvation caused by war and urge a truce. The British accepted restrictions (well, most of them) which were generally enforced. Rationing resulted in scarce resources being shared out reasonably fairly. Rationing was planned well before the war started because the country's leaders had thought through the logistics.

I agree with you MOnica.

When I originally read what Chris Whitty said and had thought about it, I thought it was a bit strange.

As a confirmed advocate of continuing to wear a mask (in case people hadn't noticed ), it's exactly what I intend to do, so Chris Whitty's "ditching his mask" is more or less the same as my "continuing to wear my mask".

I wondered if the government is trying to use some kind of psychology here ie. giving people a "choice", but still encouraging them to do the decent thing with regard to others.

Alegrias1

I know I'm not MayBee70, but I'm not going to just sit here and allow misleading things to be posted without question. I'm not sneering about peoples lack of scientific knowledge but I'd hope that people would take notice of simple arithmetic when required.

If a reader thinks deaths have risen 4-fold in a day, that's scary.

If deaths have actually increased by one or two and are only just into double figures, that's something else.

You know no one wants facts! They want to post what they want!

Goodnight Marydoll.

You certainly are very knowledgeable, EP. You would have made an interesting guest speaker. I never knew that about clothing. We usually concentrated on foodstuffs, since there was so much information to cover in one term.
I'm guilty of derailing this thread, so I shall retreat! Goodnight! ???

There were lots of interesting wartime measures, like the rule that dress fabric had to have a small repeat size for the patterns printed on them, and a maximum of four colours. The small repeat size was to save cloth because they knew that people making dresses would match the pattern joins. That small repeat size rule resulted in a wartime fashion look for women's dresses.

www.iwm.org.uk/history/how-clothes-rationing-affected-fashion-in-the-second-world-war

But it says that they exchanged their uniform at demobilisation, but they didn't as many were placed on the reserve and could have been called back if the need arose so had to keep their uniform available in case they were recalled.

Not aware that he actually said he was ditching his mask

Chris Witty has said that he will be ditching his mark and only wearing it in three circumstances.

He said: “I would wear a mask under three situations, and I would do so, particularly at this point when the epidemic is clearly significant and rising.

The first is in any situation which was indoors and crowded, or indoors with close proximity to other people and that is because masks help protect other people - this is a thing we do to protect other people, this is by far its principal aim.

The second situation I’d do it is if I was required to by any competent authority. I would have no hesitation about doing that and I would consider that was a reasonable and sensible thing if they had good reason to do that.

And the third reason is if someone else was uncomfortable if I did not wear a mask, as a point of common courtesy of course I would wear a mask so under all those circumstances I would do so. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/chris-whitty-masks-lockdown-covid-b1878776.html?fbclid=IwAR3dOmGsexhyFJG3Xvo6mmsNncWAjx5oySx9bOKJ2mnDsSr2I1arHfiVYes

Which are the circumstances that most unmaskers, including myself, have listed as the circumstances when we too would wear a mask.

I am going to follow the scientific advice and do as Chris Witty does.

Elderly Person, thanks for taking the time to post the link about rationing. To be honest, I was never a fan of Steptoe and Son, I couldn't quite take to Wilfred Bramble.
When I was teaching, one of our Social Studies topics was the Second World War. We had facsimilies of identity cards and ration books for the children to look at. I even brought in my own mother's identity card for the children to see. They were fascinated by the items we had, including gas masks and militaria.

Marydoll

Elvis58

I will burn all my masks on 19th July, good riddance and goodbye!

So how will you react if asked to wear one in a shop or on public transport? I'm curious.

That reminds me of the line from an episode of Steptoe & Son where Albert Steptoe is said to have burned his ration book on VE day.

Rationing did not totally end until 1954.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationing_in_the_United_Kingdom

Elvis58

I will burn all my masks on 19th July, good riddance and goodbye!

So how will you react if asked to wear one in a shop or on public transport? I'm curious.

I will burn all my masks on 19th July, good riddance and goodbye!

Alegrias1

MawBe you really are being very unpleasant and unfair.

I won't be responding any more.

I am sorry Alegrias I clearly misunderstood, thinking you sought clarification of my “chickens” reference.

I hope I am posting a photo with this. The text is rather intersting and this seemed the best COVID thread to post it on

Someone on Facebook just now said she was so worried for her son as he may no longer be able to make people wear masks in his ambulance. And someone else has said people are already starting to not wear masks. So much for people behaving responsibly.