COVID-19 etiquette and good manners after 19 July 2021

MawBe you really are being very unpleasant and unfair.

I won't be responding any more.

As for chickens, well I'm lost ?
Surely anyone with a grasp of economics would appreciate the dangers of counting chickens before they are hatched.

I'm not laying down the law MawBe. I read back my posts and I didn't say your numbers were wrong, or anything at all like that. I did try to clarify that thinking we'd jumped from 9 deaths to 37 in one day wasn't a good way to think of it, and why.

But you seem to have taken it very personally, and seem to take exception to someone disagreeing with you. And if somebody starts using sarcasm towards me, I'm going to respond.

As for chickens, well I'm lost ?

you are just as entitled to post on here as anyone else, and you should do. There is no need to be offended nor intention to offend. We all have different opinions and we’re all entitled to express them

Thank you Maddyone but I was not expressing opinions but posting a copy of facts - the latest stats as published - and quoting the words of Sajid Javid
However I defer, as no doubt the Health Secretary woukd to Alegrias’s presumed superior knowledge although how she can justify laying down the law as if she were the only scientist/ economist/statistician/ health professional on GN is beyond me.
Nothing other than my observation regarding chickens, counting and hatching was a matter of opinion.

Thank you rosie1959 and maddyone.

Mawbe you are just as entitled to post on here as anyone else, and you should do. There is no need to be offended nor intention to offend. We all have different opinions and we’re all entitled to express them. In my case, I have said before, I do respect Alegrias when she talks about statistics and science. She is a scientist and I am not. When I know a poster has a certain knowledge I like to know their interpretation or knowledge. That doesn’t mean the opinions of others are not interesting or valid. In saying that, I am not implying Alegrias, or anyone else on here is a world authority on Covid.

Thank you Alegrias for the figure of how many people died yesterday, not of Covid. It’s just about putting things into context I think. Hospital admissions and deaths are rising slowly, but vaccinations are rising quickly. Hopefully we’ll be in a different situation in another couple of months.

There are apparently 8 Covid patients in the hospital I was in during January when I had Covid. Then there were 500 plus Covid patients in the same hospital.

Thank you Alegrais1 for your information without hype
Still in slightly windy Jersey where they have now stopped isolation just because you may or may not have been near someone with Covid Looks like the UK is following as too many in isolation
We have now deleted our Covid tracker App

Ooh colours!
That’s pretty.

So then.

37 deaths reported on Tuesday, having happened before Tuesday. Actual number of deaths on Monday, 3. That will probably increase. Actual number of deaths on Sunday, 15.

Here's a nice representation, yesterday's figures in orange.

I knowI'm not MayBee70, but I'm not going to just sit here and allow misleading things to be posted without question
I am not claiming any exponential increase, or a trend, just quoting hard facts
Are you questioning the figures I quoted?
Are they inaccurate?
So in what measure are the stats I quoted “misleading things” ?
This patronising dismissal of any opinions other than those which chime with your own is both unjustified and misplaced.
However, Tesco was clearly quiet.

I know I'm not MayBee70, but I'm not going to just sit here and allow misleading things to be posted without question. I'm not sneering about peoples lack of scientific knowledge but I'd hope that people would take notice of simple arithmetic when required.

If a reader thinks deaths have risen 4-fold in a day, that's scary.

If deaths have actually increased by one or two and are only just into double figures, that's something else.

MayBee70

Algeria’s. With respect can I just point out that you’re not a world expert on covid and shouldn’t be so sneering of other peoples lack of scientific knowledge that is, however, often balanced by more common sense.

Oh no, we all rely on her for the latest up to date information! ?

Algeria’s. With respect can I just point out that you’re not a world expert on covid and shouldn’t be so sneering of other peoples lack of scientific knowledge that is, however, often balanced by more common sense.

Grateful to you, . I’m sure I’d never have thought of that.

Clearly.

www.gransnet.com/forums/coronavirus/1296580-Zero-deaths?pg=4

For instance

I've explained why the change from 9 to 37 isn't as significant as you thought it was. Looking at one day's figures is not helpful. Starting on the 2nd July, we had four straight days where the number fell from 27 to 9. Did we all start celebrating in the streets? No
Grateful to you, . I’m sure I’d never have thought of that.
Do you also offer egg sucking classes?
(Actually there was a considerable amount of “celebration” in the media and probably here when the “deaths from Covid “ stats hit zero - despite us knowing it was probably a one off. )

MawBe

maddyone

Well said Alegrias.
I wonder how many people died of other conditions yesterday.

Beware of inflammatory statistics.

Yes, indeed.

Oh well, sorry, not sorry for quoting a figure. I had no intention of being inflammatory but 9 to 37 is IMHO a move in the wrong direction.
Will defer to superior intellects (?) now and shut up as my contributions are clearly unwelcome.,

I've explained why the change from 9 to 37 isn't as significant as you thought it was. Looking at one day's figures is not helpful. Starting on the 2nd July, we had four straight days where the number fell from 27 to 9. Did we all start celebrating in the streets? No.

BTW maddyone - approx. 1,600.

maddyone

Well said Alegrias.
I wonder how many people died of other conditions yesterday.

Beware of inflammatory statistics.

Yes, indeed.

Oh well, sorry, not sorry for quoting a figure. I had no intention of being inflammatory but 9 to 37 is IMHO a move in the wrong direction.
Will defer to superior intellects (?) now and shut up as my contributions are clearly unwelcome.,

A week is a long time in politics.

I am wondering if there will be a high level resignation as an issue of conscience.

Such a resignation would have a major effect on public opinion and shake government to its core.

Well said Alegrias.
I wonder how many people died of other conditions yesterday.

Beware of inflammatory statistics.

Yes, indeed.

Added to which yesterday’s death total at 37 is way up on previous weeks.

You just know a statement like that is going to attract my comment.

Yesterday's reported deaths were 37; the day before's was 9. A more realistic measure is the rate by date of death, not date reported. Yesterday's figures aren't final yet because it takes a few days for everything to come through the system. But the number on the 4th was 12.

Daily average in July, 15. Average since the start of June, 12.

Beware of inflammatory statistics. Numbers are rising, but not exponentially....

I’m afraid it’s a balance isn’t it? We can decide what to do, but we’re mostly retired and able to choose our behaviour. However if too many staff are unavailable in the NHS, then this will impact treatments, possibly our own, if we’re waiting for treatment or need to be hospitalised for any reason. Wearing a mask isn’t the issue here, it’s Track and Trace, and if millions of people are self isolating because they walked past someone in a pub who then tested positive, then our services will not be available as they should be. I’m not making a judgment on this, I’ll leave you all to do that, but can the country allow millions of well people to isolate for ten days and keep our services running.

As for me, I assess the probability/risk, and try to make an informed choice. I’ll wear a mask where it seems prudent to do so, I’ll socially distance where it seems prudent to do so, and I’ll try to get on with my life. I’ll go to restaurants, the cinema, on holiday, behaving responsibly when I do.

We are blithely talking about post-19 July but chickens, eggs, hatching etc come to mind.
However, from today’s DT
Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, announced yesterday that plans to allow Britons who have received both doses of the vaccine to take an optional PCR test if they come into close contact with a confirmed coronavirus case, instead of automatically isolating for 10 days, will not be introduced for five and a half weeks.
The delay comes despite Boris Johnson, the Prime Minister, confirming on Monday that “all legal Covid regulations are to end on July 19. “ (So they won’t)
The development deals a blow to the hospitality and arts sectors, with warnings that venues and performances face being shut down when a single member of staff or crew tests positive for coronavirus, just as they should be embracing reopening.
Oh and as if “by the way
There are also concerns about staff shortages in the NHS, as a hospital was forced to cancel all non-urgent care because a large number of staff were forced to self-isolate

Added to which yesterday’s death total at 37 is way up on previous weeks.
Make of this what you will, but I think common sense will (still) dictate certainly what I do - and I hope others.

Not just England ditching face masks apparently. The Cannes Film Festival was attended by mask-less attendees last night. Looked like business as normal.

Shops are not ncessarily crowded places. Many shops are virtually empty a lot of the time, especially if you are an early morning shopper. One morning a security guard commented I was the 20th customer of the day in a large cavernous supermarket. I barely saw another customer, let alone had a chance to infect them, or for them to infect me.