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Santana Mon 04-Oct-21 12:23:17

Whilst I was waiting outside the pharmacy, a lady of mature years was having an intercom conversation with the doctor's receptionist next door.
She was being told that she needed to book a phone appointment with her doctor. The lady, leaning on her sturdy shopping trolley, explained in a loud voice, that this would not do as she had sciatica amongst other ailments, and she wasn't moving until she got a proper appointment. I wanted to cheer her on as she stuck to her guns and eventually got an appointment for next week Way to go girl!
A disgrace that we can't get appointments without a battle. And my GP practice is one of the best.

Omasweetie Tue 05-Oct-21 15:57:12

I haven’t had a problem with my GP surgery at all so far . If I call in the morning I get a call back in the afternoon to discuss the problem and then either get a prescription sent to my local pharmacy or am asked to attend the surgery. However, my friends GP surgery has been closed three times in the last 6 months. With “staffing problems” . They text their patients to tell them that they are closed except for emergencies. With no alternative. And no blood test results given out either. Who decides if whatever’s is wrong is an emergency?? The receptionist ?? No wonder A &E is full. If people can’t get even a phone call from their doctor then that’s where they are going to go.

Alegrias1 Tue 05-Oct-21 15:58:13

For some reason this just jumped into my head:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QPhMVbleU0

Warnings from Kinnock, coming true now, 30 years on.

Madashell Tue 05-Oct-21 16:35:06

It has been successive government’s (hidden) policy to underfund the NHS and in doing so cause patients to become disenchanted and call for change. I wonder which American “healthcare” company will step into the breach? I also had a partial misdiagnosis on the phone recently. It turned out I had raging candida (post covid vaccine). I went to an online pharmacy lied about my age and bought the necessary medication. Do you think people train for so many years to become a GP and then to spend most of their day on the phone? I don’t want to be treated by any doctor who is close to burn out. The truth is the government don’t care. Anyone tried to get NHS dental treatment recently? That branch of healthcare is definitely one that is due to be private only fairly soon.

Hobbs1 Tue 05-Oct-21 16:37:41

While all other frontline services continued to work throughout lockdown, GPs carried out telephone consultations with patients before they would give an appointment and have since kept this system in place, even though the restrictions and lockdown have been lifted. How you can diagnose whether a patient needs treatment etc over the phone is beyond me.
Perhaps it’s time the NHS looked at the excessive salaries GPS earn and make the necessary pay cuts, because they are paid a salary for seeing and diagnosing patients face to face, not in a telephone call.

Esspee Tue 05-Oct-21 16:49:16

I am in Glasgow and have nothing but praise for the surgery I attend. The reception staff are pleasant, I received a call back from my doctor within the hour, during the telephone appointment I was asked to come in which I did immediately, had a face to face discussion and physical examination, and a referral to a consultant was sent off all in one day. Two months later I received a call from the hospital confirming that I am on a waiting list.

Elvis58 Tue 05-Oct-21 16:50:11

Ring at 8 to get an appointment by 8.05 none left ring back at 2 in case they have any afternoon cancellations never do then they make you an appointment for 2 weeks time.Utter madness.

Operalover Tue 05-Oct-21 16:50:53

It’s not the Doctors to blame they have to follow government guidelines which state they have to offer remote appts in the first instance. If you want to blame someone start with Matt Hancock.

MissAdventure Tue 05-Oct-21 16:56:27

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/coronavirus/nhs-england-orders-gps-to-offer-face-to-face-appointments-to-all-patients/

Gps were told to offer face to face appointments if they felt it necessary back in May.

SecondhandRose Tue 05-Oct-21 16:57:34

For anyone needing flu jabs you can book with Boots who are doing them for free.

Doodledog Tue 05-Oct-21 16:58:20

There was an item on Jeremy vine (TV) this morning about how pharmacists are going to offer 'GP style' appointments for £15. I don't know the detail (eg whether they will be allowed to prescribe drugs that can't be bought over the counter), or who will pay them, but I'm appalled, really.

I wonder if this is a way of making a charge for a GP appointment seem like a good idea?

EmilyHarburn Tue 05-Oct-21 17:02:37

I have not felt our surgery is able to deal with ordinary things for the last 2 years. by that I mean check ups for blood pressure, blood tests for kidneys and liver function etc. Today my husband and I went to a meeting room in a local hotel for Bluecrest basic medicals. Blood test, eg, height and weight measurement ( my body is 13 years younger than my age!!!) We will receive a written report with flags showing what we need to check on within 21 days and now have access on the phone to a GP who will give advice for the next year !! Well worth the money.

Daftbag1 Tue 05-Oct-21 17:36:32

We have just moved over 100miles so to a completely different health authority.

Where we were before, it took a complaint to NHS England to get a face to face appointment despite my having multiple health problems and complex needs.

Here, I arranged a telephone appointment with my new doctor and explained to her that whilst there was nothing causing major issues at present I have a few niggles that I'd really like to discuss face to face. Yes of course was her response and offered me several possible double appointments. I like this new practice!

Caro57 Tue 05-Oct-21 18:01:20

It’s also worth remembering that going to one’s GP practice for Covid vaccine possibly doesn’t help - free up the Primary Care centres by using the many vaccine centres

Hetty58 Tue 05-Oct-21 18:14:45

Chaitriona, I think an elderly woman with sciatica would expect to see a doctor in person. It could well be a case of not being able to manage independently at home.

What's the use of a phone appointment really? If you're just prescribed painkillers, you might as well see a pharmacist.

Of course, there's a move to downgrade services. It seems inevitable now, with the long standing lack of funds - and the backlog due to Covid.

GillT57 Tue 05-Oct-21 18:15:38

SecondhandRose

For anyone needing flu jabs you can book with Boots who are doing them for free.

All part of the privatisation of the NHS, Boots are now American owned.

Theoddbird Tue 05-Oct-21 18:23:37

Further to my earlier post about AskmyGP... I exchanged a few emails with doctor yesterday she emailed me today and asked me to come in before 5. Further email and I had appointment for 4.15. I have always had an appointment within 24 hours...moreoften same day. Can't fault the system.

Candelle Tue 05-Oct-21 19:46:13

A long post, I fear, but I have tried to address, explain and counter some of the comments within this thread…

I understand that there are poorly managed surgeries but some of your comments are really beyond the pale.

Yes, you are frustrated that you can't get through to your surgery when you want to (as I have been on one occasion) . Yes, some Receptionists are brusque. Yes, there are new systems in place, many of which you wish were not there but have you honestly stopped to work out why much of this is happening?

The whole idea of keeping waiting rooms free of as many patients as possible in the middle of a pandemic is to stop cross infection. Few people seem to realise this. Empty waiting rooms do not equate to GPs not working or seeing patients who really need to be seen.

The OP's 'lady with the trolley': yes, it would have been lovely if she could have been attended to whilst in the surgery and common sense dictates that this should have happened however, if she was attended to in this way, the word would spread and all the carefully laid out plan of patient management would be useless as everyone would wish to walk in and book an appointment – in a pandemic.

Yes, I of course I agree that patients have a right to be seen but it may be a surprise for many of you to know that not all patients need to be seen face to face – particularly in the middle of a pandemic. Many patients also prefer a telephone consultation.

Writing personally, my surgery has a pro forma online which should be completed and sent off electronically. This form is triaged - by a doctor and prioritised. Again, personally, I have had two incidents where I was contacted - by telephone, by the surgery just five minutes after sending in the form. It was judged necessary by whoever undertook the triages. If my health issue had not needed prompt treatment, I would have been contacted but not so quickly. This, too, has been the case and I was happy to wait my turn, knowing that sicker patients were receiving preferential calls or, being called into the surgery, which is what happens if a doctor feels it to be necessary.

I have written similar sentences before but, if you are in the older age-group, you may recall that seeing a doctor was something that was done almost in extremis. As a sick child, my parents hesitated about 'bothering the doctor' whereas now, many - not all, obviously - patients feel they have an entitlement to speak to a doctor, no matter the depth of their concern. A concern that could easily be addressed by a chemist or even 111 in many instances.

The Neil Kinnock speech from Alegrias1 actually rings true. There has been not enough funding into the NHS from successive governments (particularly into GP services) whatever their hue. We have an ageing population who are living longer (thank goodness!) but who then have more and many complex conditions. The NHS actually runs on goodwill. If your GP did not work extremely long hours or your hospital nurses didn't complain about staying on for extra hours, the NHS would collapse completely. We will have to pay more. More taxes, more NHI contributions, more VAT.

Your GP went into general practice because they liked the interface with people, their patients. They are not hiding away. Surely common sense dictates that a GP is not sitting with feet up, scrolling through Facebook sipping a cappuccino instead of seeing patients?

I cannot comment on poorly run surgeries where it is difficult for patients to actually get through to the surgery but if yours is like this, please consider trying to change them! Contact the Practice Manager, join the Patients' Association (all surgeries should have them and if they don't, start one!). Ask if there is anything that you could do to try and help them.

I know I ramble on but with a daughter in the profession I am sick of time and time again, the newspapers and media obtaining cheap copy on the topic of how little GPs are doing. Most GPs work long hours; in my daughter's case, around 65 a week: she sometimes doesn’t even get to the loo all day, let alone eat lunch! There are also all the texts and calls received when actually at home so she never has time to sit and relax (there were over 450 texts waiting for her input the last time we met) and calls from other professionals regarding, for example, patients with mental health concerns, so a GP can rarely switch off. Time with them means a mobile coming out and messages being responded to. Many weekends are worked throughout the year plus meetings and committees to attend, Covid hubs to be set up, extra inoculations given. Where do you think the time comes from for individuals to actually undertake all this extra work? Where?

There are not enough GPs.

As there has not been the investment in the NHS and GP training, numbers of GPs have been reducing as many are not able to undertake the constant day-to-day stress and retire a few years earlier than they might otherwise have done. The campaigns by a few newspapers are helping the dearth of experienced GPs. Incidentally, training length is reducing too for undergraduate medical degrees (it was 11 years to become a fully-trained GP, now 10). Undergraduate medical degrees used to take five years but now four. I have no idea how efficient this is but personally I would rather they had five!

Hobbs1,are you aware that the minimum salary of a GP is £62,629? Hardly excessive, bearing in mind that lorry drivers are allegedly being offered £75,000 at the moment and law graduates can begin on £107,500. I give these figures to show that GPs are not on the hugely inflated sums that have taken root in the public's imagination. £200,000?! I wish! The press have whipped the public up into GP-bashing and quite honestly, the BMA have done little to counter it.

Did you know that the USA spends twice per capita as we do in the UK but their health outcomes are no better - many are even worse and of course, if you have no insurance you will not be seen as we are here.

We are indeed sleepwalking into privitisation of the NHS. Madashel is correct. Companies which run US private hospitals would love a contract to run our NHS hospitals and in some instances, savings could be made with regard to organisation but do you think the end result would be for our benefit, or theirs…?

Please try to stop GP-bashing. There is a reason things are as they are and it is not the fault of your GP.

Lulu16 Tue 05-Oct-21 20:00:55

There are not enough GPs now. It upsets me when people criticise doctors because I saw the toll it took on my compassionate, caring, conscientious Dad. He died a few months before the pandemic in a dementia unit. I am so glad that he did not live through the Covid as he was a strong believer in public health.

GagaJo Tue 05-Oct-21 20:44:31

Totally agree Candelle. It is a TERRIBLE job and if we want people to continue doing it, I think we need to tread carefully.

To be honest, I'm glad I'm old. I wouldn't want to be around to need medical care once the NHS has gone, which is where the Tories are pushing us.

melp1 Tue 05-Oct-21 21:15:05

Perhaps all trades people that are back working should refuse to do any work at doctors houses.

MissAdventure Tue 05-Oct-21 21:20:51

Genuine question; how is the system working so well in some practices and not in others?

Urmstongran Tue 05-Oct-21 21:47:42

GillT57

SecondhandRose

For anyone needing flu jabs you can book with Boots who are doing them for free.

All part of the privatisation of the NHS, Boots are now American owned.

Our local pharmacies (including 2 independents) are all offering ‘flu jabs. Boots (Walmart) is just one of them - 6 altogether.

Therefore I think the NHS must be paying them for the service as it’s ‘free’. Nothing to do with being ‘Americanised’ Gill57 so stop scaremongering.

Our GP surgery has a separate ‘flu jab session - on a Saturday afternoon (!) 2 - 5pm. Again, a separate session so payments for the staff, same as pharmacies.

tobyandsocks Tue 05-Oct-21 22:06:10

I had to have a meds review and blood test today and whilst I was in the waiting room a lady came in and asked the receptionist if she could have an appt with the duty doctor.....

The conversation went like this...
Lady..Can I have an emergency appt with a GP today?
Receptionist..why whats the problem?
Lady..its a bit personal
Receptionist...Well I need to know so I can decide what to do
Lady...I have a coil fitted and I am having problems with it
Receptionist...what sort of problems?
Lady then had to divulge personal information to receptionist in front of a waiting room of males and females who could all hear .....
Result was the receptionist decided that the lady did not warrant an appointment so she made a telephone appt for her to speak to a nurse not a GP.....

I think I would have asked to see the surgery manager......

Doodledog Tue 05-Oct-21 22:47:34

Candelle, I don't think that people are 'bashing' GPs. I do, however, think that when people have had bad experiences - and particularly when those experiences have impacted on their health, which is something over which we have no real control - they have a right to complain without being made to seem like moaning minnies. Pretending that all is well is not going to make the NHS any safer from Tory cuts.

I am very concerned that I am going to have irreversible treatment on my thyroid, based on one consultation (pre-Covid) which determined that things were not as they should be, and over 18 months of taking toxic medication. The consultant (not the one who diagnosed me), with whom I have a 5 minute telephone conversation every three months, goes on the results of blood tests to decide what is happening now. We have never met. I have had several changes of diagnosis since the first one, and the latest is Graves Disease.

I don't think it is unreasonable to be concerned that something may have been missed, or that there may be a less invasive course of treatment than the one he has recommended.

I fully understand that this is all the result of cuts and underfunding, but speaking as someone who has never ever voted Tory, and who has fought against cuts in services, I think that I, like many others, have a right to express my feelings.

As for telephone consultations - I'm not saying that some people don't prefer them, and can imagine circumstances under which I may do so myself - but in that case, why not give us all the option - if you want a face-to-face appointment you can have one, and if a telephone appointment suits your circumstances you can have that instead. As was pointed out upthread, ten minutes is ten minutes, whether over the phone or face-to-face.

Look at the outcry from people who complain that students seeing lecturers on Zoom is not the same as seeing them in a classroom, and wanting their money back. I have done both, and can honestly say that preparing for an online seminar is every bit as time-consuming and intensive as preparing for an in-person one. I can't see why a GP would feel differently.

spabbygirl Tue 05-Oct-21 23:00:09

this conservative government don't want an NHS because they believe that they are paying for someone else's health care and they don't see why they should do that.
We have a socialist health care system and it works because we all pay the same ratio of income and we all get the care we need.
I want the NHS to stay as it is, I'm quite happy to pay for other people's health care, I'm just glad I don't need much so I won't be voting Tory ever again. Labour are the best for the NHS & they get my vote no matter who is in charge.