With UK Covid deaths the highest in Europe, is this living with Covid?

Alegrias1

It wasn't you that I was responding to growstuff, it was halfpint1

Someone coming on to the thread and just reading that post would think things are 10 times worse here than they are in France.

And they're not.

I agree. They're not, but the UK deaths are still 3-4 times higher.

France currently has fewer deaths and cases than the UK on average. The country has also vaccinated a higher percentage of its population.

graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/france/

It wasn't you that I was responding to growstuff, it was halfpint1

Someone coming on to the thread and just reading that post would think things are 10 times worse here than they are in France.

And they're not.

Alegrias1

halfpint1

In France we wear masks, social distance, pass sanitaire to do
anything. So this morning after reading this thread I looked
up the figures for yesterday
France 15
Uk 148
says it all really

Before we get too smug...

Deaths in the UK aren't running at 10 times the rate of deaths in France. Seven day average of deaths in the UK, 111. Seven day average in France, 32.

Number of deaths in UK on 11th October, 28
Number of deaths in France on 12th October, 68

Picking on one day's data to try to make a point is not a valid thing to do. Says it all really.

I didn't pick one day's data. I've looked at averages. There is still a big difference which can't be explained by different ways of reporting or testing.

Gabrielle56

Zoejory

For the month of September, the UK recorded 45,066 deaths due to Civd

Over 45.000 deaths in September? That can't be right.

REPORTED CASES!!! honestly! Get a grip is it likely to be deaths??

I think it's already been established that the OP made a mistake. No need to shout!

halfpint1

In France we wear masks, social distance, pass sanitaire to do
anything. So this morning after reading this thread I looked
up the figures for yesterday
France 15
Uk 148
says it all really

Before we get too smug...

Deaths in the UK aren't running at 10 times the rate of deaths in France. Seven day average of deaths in the UK, 111. Seven day average in France, 32.

Number of deaths in UK on 11th October, 28
Number of deaths in France on 12th October, 68

Picking on one day's data to try to make a point is not a valid thing to do. Says it all really.

Zoejory

*For the month of September, the UK recorded 45,066 deaths due to Civd*

Over 45.000 deaths in September? That can't be right.

REPORTED CASES!!! honestly! Get a grip is it likely to be deaths??

lightallan

One cannot blame the NHS or the Government alone.
The blame lies with the people of this country who are blissfully unaware of the consequences of this deadly virus, and consider that it will not happen to themselves, so are quite happy not to take precautions, because they want to enjoy themselves. Full stop.

Why are they unaware, when people in other countries seem more aware?

I would also think it is fair to say lighttallan that those that have been double vaccinated no longer see it as a deadly virus because that was the whole point of vaccination

One cannot blame the NHS or the Government alone.
The blame lies with the people of this country who are blissfully unaware of the consequences of this deadly virus, and consider that it will not happen to themselves, so are quite happy not to take precautions, because they want to enjoy themselves. Full stop.

vegansrock

The government has given up any pretence of any public health measures to prevent COVID spreading apart from vaccination , so no wonder our cases are about 10 x higher than anywhere else.

Thats how I see it too

deaths I mean

In France we wear masks, social distance, pass sanitaire to do
anything. So this morning after reading this thread I looked
up the figures for yesterday
France 15
Uk 148
says it all really

The government has given up any pretence of any public health measures to prevent COVID spreading apart from vaccination , so no wonder our cases are about 10 x higher than anywhere else.

I refuse to hug anyone, not even my family! I was at a WI meeting where people were hugging and I just said “ No thanks” But I’m not a hugger anyway so am quite happy not to get too close to anyone apart from my immediate family.

As I have said on another thread DD is currently at home as GS1 has tested positive. She is a research scientist and she has been told to stay at home because the scientists she works with don't want to work with someone who has been in close contact with Covid. You'd almost think that scientists know more about it than politicians.

The number of Covid cases has risen because there is virtually no mitigation in schools. Almost 50% of Covid cases have been in school age children since the second week of September. That's no coincidence.

The numbers of covid cases has risen purely because most of the people in this country act as if the pandemic has disappeared. No masks, people hugging, no distancing. As soon as the government gave the option to stop wearing a mask, it was the green light to do so. The government has dealt with this virus abysmally from the get go and to my mind heads should roll.

Nurses wear ordinary blue tupe masks to protect the patients. They wear the proper PPE to protect themselves when working with Covid-19 patients.

Presumably you are referring to lack of masks etc in ENGLAND other nations of UK still have mandated precautions in place

Now that our school is in 'outbreak' status, everyone has to wear a mask again all the time, except outside (I have kept my mask on regardless of government school 'rules' to the contrary). Windows must be opened, surfaces wiped. Despite alarming numbers of cases in pupils and staff, we are limping on until half-term rather than close sooner. Madness.

Whitewavemark2

Prof. Winston Graham has said that the government’s mistakes were catastrophic, with an abysmal and culpable level of unpreparedness, not experienced in most places in the developed world.

Who is Professor Winston Graham? Do you mean Professor Robert Winston or the author Winston Graham? or someone else? I feel we should know!

Sorry just remembered that I should have put quotations in italics rather than in quotation marks.

'And getting the numbers right is important or nobody will believe the points you make.' and 'Telling people that the death rate is 100 times what it really is can't be good for anyone's health.'

Thank you Alegrias, for putting my thoughts into words so clearly!

Our friends visited Pompeii last week and mask wearing was obligatory at all times even though the site is outside.