With UK Covid deaths the highest in Europe, is this living with Covid?

I agree with you polnan. The way to "live with it" and get back to any sense of normality is to to be careful, not pretend it's all over.

Back to the original post. Masks are still worn in shops, restaurants, indoor venues and on transport in Scotland - a much more cautious approach - long may it continue - I feel much safer than I did during my recent visit to the beautiful Lake District.

Way, way, bac, yes, I am that old.

we knew and were told that statistics can be argued to any case.. I don`t think I have phrased that correctly, but you get my drink

why are we so .... keeping on about this! wear masks, wash hands, social distancing, where is reasonable...

and ventilate... ventilate.. ventilate... fresh air!!!! I find so many places/buildings are NOT doing that.

That , for me, is living with it.. and God forbid if I say... we have lived with flu and other very contagious etc.. diseases for centuries! how? by not ignoring it is there, by being sensible... and not expecting things to go back to NORMAL!

I have been shot down in flames before for suggesting that we should have another lockdown. I suggest it again. The country should be locked down until the numbers halve.

I feel really sorry for all those in poor health, with various conditions, that have no real choice but to continue isolation. They must feel very let down.

We have just returned from a 4 day trip to Gibraltar.They are alot stricter than Britain. You can't get on a bus without wearing a mask .In the airport you must wear a mask and you are approached by airport staff and told to put on a mask. But in Manchester airport the public announcements are constantly telling you to wear a mask but it's not implemented lots of people were walking around without masks we are not strict enough in Britain

The more tests the more cases discovered. The figures to watch are deaths, hospitalizations and those in ICU.

All the while there is a minority of people refusing to be vaccinated everyone else is at risk. How do you know whether the person closest to you has/has not been vaccinated. Big gatherings at events and not a mask in place! No wonder I am reluctant to go anywhere, living alone with no close neighbours and pets to care for.

Shirlb

Really? Not the numbers we’re reading about?

I'm not sure what you mean. Which numbers?

The average daily number of deaths within 28 days of a positive test in the UK is currently 111. I don't see how keeping that figure from anybody has a positive effect on mental or physical health.

The figure is relatively stable, although it's still too high.

It's just not realistic to think that all those people tested positive and then died from a completely unrelated condition. The figure also ignores people who died 29+ days after a positive test and it's known that some people are ill with Covid for longer than that.

Growth in the number of cases isn't exponential at the moment, but as anybody who knows anything about maths knows, exponential growth is difficult to spot at the beginning of the curve.

Really? Not the numbers we’re reading about?

Alegrias1

We're not going to have the exponential discussion again, are we?

Sorry growstuff

I wasn't planning to, but why not? Some people don't seem to understand what it is. Some people don't seem to understand the word "if" either. I wrote "if". At the moment , nobody knows whether the growth in case numbers is exponential, but there certainly seems to be an upward trend. Almost half of the cases are in young people, so the growth isn't reflected in deaths, although death rates and hospitalisations are creeping up. Only a fool wouldn't be aware and cautious.

We have been COVID free until the end of this September, when our vaccinated DDiL caught it and both unvaccinated children went down with asymptotic COVID. DDiL has an auto immune disease, but although she felt really unwell for a week, by the end of the following week, she was up, about and racing around as usual. She is in her 50s, so now in the age group where the illness can be serious.

She caught the illness from a friend of her children. Unvaccinated children seem to be both, numerically the group with the highest frequency of COVID, and the main cause of transmission so the sooner we vaccinate those 14 and over and continue to investigate the safety of innoculating even younger cchildren, the sooner the disease will be under control.

I would assume that the excess death figure (which I don’t happen to have unfortunately) will show that those people did actually die from covid.

Alegrias1

growstuff

Josianne

Thanks for the graph WWM2.
I don't think anyone was deflecting, unless it was meant to be a political argument? Just choked on breakfast with the first line and thought I might have to cancel my lunch in town. A bit scary too in the Health forum for those of a less robust nature.
We are always reminded to get the facts straight on GN.

Covid doesn't avoid people of a less robust nature.

Telling people that the death rate is 100 times what it really is can't be good for anyone's health.

That's what I meant. A lot of people have been feeling emotionally fragile. The OP saying 1500 deaths from covid per day could affect both mental and physical health.

Whatever, it is far too high in the UK just now. I don’t understand why you don’t have to all wear masks at least in shopping areas and inside. Not much to ask really. We are having total kniptions here with nothing like your numbers.

The deaths are people who tested positive for Covid in the last 28 days I think.

To me, that doesn’t mean they died of Covid, it means they died with Covid. And perhaps they had recovered from it, and died of something else?

Mea culpa! The OP should have read: 4,506 deaths in Sept ie 10 times more than Sept 2020. Ok I made an error but the rest of my points are true: cases for 14 Oct 45,000 (a 10k rise on average of 34000 in previous days). UK is average case numbers are 10 times the cases of our neighbours (and I monitor it every day). Why is so little being done to get on top of this? As seen in subsequent posts, these case and deaths not reducing despite the vaccine levels. Something has to change!

Travelled through Germany and Austria last week you could do nothing without a vaccination certificate and a high grade mask mandatory at every indoor venue, hotel, restaurant, we are far too relaxed in the UK

This thread is fascinating.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4372169-The-great-South-west-PCR-mystery
Suggests the problem might be more like under reporting.....

We're not going to have the exponential discussion again, are we?

Sorry growstuff

Alegrias1

^I find the numbers unbelievable, at this rate it means soon the whole of the country will have had Covid.^

12% of the population of the UK have had a positive test. At a rate of 40,000 a day it will take a little over 4 years for everybody to have caught it.

Not if the rate is increasing exponentially.

Juliet27

I think you’d better start again marq66 as everyone is getting muddled by your figures.

I think she's got muddled too. There are currently about 4,000 deaths a month.

Mamie

The point is SpanielNanny that for the rate to be ten times lower in France than in England you would have to have a mighty lot of unidentified asymptomatic cases in France.
My GD and 100 of her year group in England got Covid within three weeks of returning to school. My GD passed it on to my twice vaccinated DD and SiL. All three had significant symptoms and had two weeks away from school / work.
I am inclined to think the higher number of tests reflects the higher number of cases rather than believing in a mysterious mainland European asymptomatic Covid strain. ?

I think that too.

growstuff

Josianne

Thanks for the graph WWM2.
I don't think anyone was deflecting, unless it was meant to be a political argument? Just choked on breakfast with the first line and thought I might have to cancel my lunch in town. A bit scary too in the Health forum for those of a less robust nature.
We are always reminded to get the facts straight on GN.

Covid doesn't avoid people of a less robust nature.

Telling people that the death rate is 100 times what it really is can't be good for anyone's health.