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Comparison of deaths from Covid to other reasons

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sparkynan Sun 19-Dec-21 07:09:34

I truly wonder if the majority of people the UK know how many people die of causes other than covid? and why the panic over Covid is so great. I think we should concentrate on spending any spare cash, on building more hospitals and training more staff. If the government had started that in 2015, we would not be having to protect the NHS, instead of them protecting us! They know how much the population is expanding.
Data from ons.gov.uk England & Wales
Deaths from Flu & Pneumonia 2019 - 26,398K
Deaths from Cancer 2020 - 147,407K
Sadly, Deaths from suicide - 2020 - 5,224
Deaths from Covid 2020 - 134,504K
What do other GN think?

Calistemon Tue 21-Dec-21 10:16:50

Excellent service.
Our minor injuries unit closed down ages ago, unfortunately, even then they wouldn't have dealt with a fracture.

foxie48 Tue 21-Dec-21 09:16:50

Calistemon

foxie that's a rather drastic way of getting out of cooking Christmas dinner!
Hope it mends well

Thanks, fortunately not a complex break so should heal quickly. Fantastic service at minor injuries clinic, x rayed and dealt with in less than an hour with follow up from virtual fracture clinic by phone and in writing. So much better than hanging around in A&E etc.

Calistemon Mon 20-Dec-21 19:34:59

foxie that's a rather drastic way of getting out of cooking Christmas dinner!
Hope it mends well

Calistemon Mon 20-Dec-21 19:33:10

I must watch my crowns, the last one was very expensive!

Alegrias1 Mon 20-Dec-21 19:29:36

I'll send a cake with a file in. ?

Calistemon Mon 20-Dec-21 19:23:42

Alegrias1

Isn't it an offence against the Official Secrets Act to tell people you've signed the Official Secrets Act?

It was in my day. Let alone talk to your mum about it then have her put it on a public site... confused

Oh dear

Posting from my prison cell.
Merry Christmas

Alegrias1 Mon 20-Dec-21 19:20:26

You might think so SueDonim, but I couldn't possibly comment. ?️‍♀️

SueDonim Mon 20-Dec-21 18:55:22

Is MI5 monitoring this thread? ?. Though if they are, I suppose they won’t be able to say so. ???

foxie48 Mon 20-Dec-21 18:28:07

Well the last few posts have cheered me. I have to admit to feeling rather grumpy. I slipped a couple of weeks ago and broke my wrist, leaving me unable to ride or drive and as we live way off a bus route, I've been pretty much housebound. It's probably quite fortuitous in some ways, not seen friends etc so hopefully avoided the dreaded "O" but it's been such dismal grey weather that even walking dogs (we have dr daughter's as she is now on nights or long days) has been a bit miserable. Daughter is back on nights later this week, finishing at 08.00a.m. on Christmas morning, so please try to stay out of ICU in an anonymous hospital in the SW, I'm hoping she has an easy shift or two.

Floradora9 Mon 20-Dec-21 16:41:08

More people will die of other causes if all the beds in hospital are full of sick covid patients. Do not underestimate the chaos it could yet bring to us .

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 20-Dec-21 16:30:03

Aha! Say no more!?

Alegrias1 Mon 20-Dec-21 15:54:37

I would tell you what happened but I'd have to shoot you.

Official secrets and all that. grin

Please GNHQ, don't delete me! Or maybe its GCHQ shock

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 20-Dec-21 15:50:34

Lots of deleted messages, what’s going on? I would draw a distinction between a doctor telling her mother that most of the people she’s treating are unvaccinated - which isn’t a breach of confidentiality unless she identifies them - and someone whose work requires them to sign the OSA telling their mother about their work, which is a serious breach of the Act. Remember those people who worked at Bletchley Park who didn’t divulge to anyone at all what they did for decades after the war ended?

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Alegrias1 Mon 20-Dec-21 14:16:53

Isn't it an offence against the Official Secrets Act to tell people you've signed the Official Secrets Act?

It was in my day. Let alone talk to your mum about it then have her put it on a public site... confused

Josieann Mon 20-Dec-21 14:03:36

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Alegrias1 Mon 20-Dec-21 13:45:42

Oh for goodness sake.

Nobody named, we don't know which hospital it is. Perhaps you're all happy with your doctors telling their mums that their patients are going to die.

The doctors I know wouldn't even socialise in a place where they might meet a patient. But clearly talking to the BBC and your mum is OK with the latest generation. Must just be me then.

Josieann Mon 20-Dec-21 13:35:49

foxie48

Alegrias1

Ohh, good point Lincslass!

No names, hospital not identified, and a general comment. If it breaks any code so does this comment, reported by the BBC!
Dr Ewen Cameron, of Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge, said: "About 80% of patients we've seen over the last few months in general wards and critical care have been unvaccinated."

I'm a South Westerner, as opposed to a Sou'wester, and we spread over 8 counties I believe and have many hospitals. We aren't some little tin pot backwater. I really can't see any breach of confidentiality!

Calistemon Mon 20-Dec-21 13:01:43

foxie48

Alegrias1

Ohh, good point Lincslass!

No names, hospital not identified, and a general comment. If it breaks any code so does this comment, reported by the BBC!
Dr Ewen Cameron, of Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge, said: "About 80% of patients we've seen over the last few months in general wards and critical care have been unvaccinated."

I can't see how it can be a breach of patient confidentiality.

Both our heads of ICU have been on TV often discussing the situation in detail. One ICU made a film in the Unit which was widely broadcast at the start of the pandemic.

Katek Mon 20-Dec-21 12:57:50

For information

www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/e7be23e7-695f-ec11-9139-00505601089b

foxie48 Mon 20-Dec-21 12:02:11

Alegrias1

Ohh, good point Lincslass!

No names, hospital not identified, and a general comment. If it breaks any code so does this comment, reported by the BBC!
Dr Ewen Cameron, of Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge, said: "About 80% of patients we've seen over the last few months in general wards and critical care have been unvaccinated."