I haven’t had the Covid vaccine and I don’t know what to do now?

I lost my husband to Hospital acquired Covid-19 on 1st February 2021. Ten days later I had the text for the vaccine. It was very upsetting that had he managed to stay healthy for one more month (or maybe 4 - 2nd dose) he might never have died at all. I have had all mine now, last one was last Saturday. I had more of a horrid reaction to my pneumonia and shingles vaccines.

Farzanah

Sadly you can post evidence based facts as often as you want but some people are so entrenched in their views that they won’t be moved.

Unfortunately, that's true, but hopefully other people won't be dragged into the murky world of myths.

Sadly you can post evidence based facts as often as you want but some people are so entrenched in their views that they won’t be moved.

Here you are:

www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298

Although the main aim of vaccinations was to reduce severity and death, there is some evidence that they reduce transmission.

Both DGC have had COVID. One of them has had it twice. In her early teens DGD lost innumerable weeks of schooling when other children in her class had COVID and the whole class were put in quarantine.

Normanygirl Do the maths. One vaccinated person with COVID for 3 days has less time to spread the disease than one unvaccinated person who has COVID for 10 days. If each infects one person a day, one person infects three people the other infects ten. So the person who has been vaccinated transmits the disease to 7 fewer people, and that is a reduction in transmission as a result of the vaccination.

And, by the way how can a question (How can the vaccine reduce the number of cases if it doesn't stop transmission? ) be an argument, assinine or not?

Normandygirl

M0nica

If the vaccine reduces the number of cases and those who get the disease have it for shorter periods, then the opportunities for transmission are reduced and transmission is reduced.

How can the vaccine reduce the number of cases if it doesn't stop transmission? An asinine argument.
The main point though, is that all the world leaders categorically stated that it did stop transmission. That was a deliberate lie wasn't it? They have also instigated vaccinating children, who are not at risk from this virus, based entirely on the premise of stopping transmission.

That's rubbish. Sorry, but with that kind of claim, it's no wonder that there was so much hysteria and misunderstanding. Incidentally, children were and still are at risk from the virus.

Normandygirl

growstuff

I don't think Pfizer ever claimed that vaccination reduced transmission.

That is true growstuff but I didn't see or hear them correcting the leaders and health officials who made the claim that it did . I wonder why not?

Did leaders and health officials really make those claims?

Normandygirl

M0nica

If the vaccine reduces the number of cases and those who get the disease have it for shorter periods, then the opportunities for transmission are reduced and transmission is reduced.

How can the vaccine reduce the number of cases if it doesn't stop transmission? An asinine argument.
The main point though, is that all the world leaders categorically stated that it did stop transmission. That was a deliberate lie wasn't it? They have also instigated vaccinating children, who are not at risk from this virus, based entirely on the premise of stopping transmission.

Did they really claim that? I'm fairly sure that Pfizer didn't. I always knew that it didn't, but there was so much misinformation floating about. People read what they wanted to read.

growstuff

I don't think Pfizer ever claimed that vaccination reduced transmission.

That is true growstuff but I didn't see or hear them correcting the leaders and health officials who made the claim that it did . I wonder why not?

M0nica

If the vaccine reduces the number of cases and those who get the disease have it for shorter periods, then the opportunities for transmission are reduced and transmission is reduced.

How can the vaccine reduce the number of cases if it doesn't stop transmission? An asinine argument.
The main point though, is that all the world leaders categorically stated that it did stop transmission. That was a deliberate lie wasn't it? They have also instigated vaccinating children, who are not at risk from this virus, based entirely on the premise of stopping transmission.

I don't think Pfizer ever claimed that vaccination reduced transmission.

MadeInYorkshire

Shinamae

MadeInYorkshire

Pfizer have admitted yesterday that they knew the vaccine wouldn't prevent transmission of the virus - how many tens of thousands of social care workers lost their jobs because they 'had to protect their residents'? Lies, lies, lies - how many more are there? Follow the money ....

As a carer ????????????

Thank you Shinamae .... I HOPE that all those who lost their jobs because of this manage to get together and sue the arse off Pfizer - it's something I hope The Good Law Project may take up, but am sure somebody will on behalf of all those carers who lost their careers - disgusting.

Follow the money ....

How many lost their jobs?

If the vaccine reduces the number of cases and those who get the disease have it for shorter periods, then the opportunities for transmission are reduced and transmission is reduced.

I can’t do a link. But it’s Dr Roger Seheult ‘Does the Pfizer vaccine reduce transmission’ on utube.

It isn’t, I believe part of a medical trial to research transmission, I’ve just listened to a Med Cram blog on utube explaining this in detail. I’ll try to do a link. This has all been taken out of contextt.

Shinamae

MadeInYorkshire

Pfizer have admitted yesterday that they knew the vaccine wouldn't prevent transmission of the virus - how many tens of thousands of social care workers lost their jobs because they 'had to protect their residents'? Lies, lies, lies - how many more are there? Follow the money ....

As a carer ????????????

Thank you Shinamae .... I HOPE that all those who lost their jobs because of this manage to get together and sue the arse off Pfizer - it's something I hope The Good Law Project may take up, but am sure somebody will on behalf of all those carers who lost their careers - disgusting.

Follow the money ....

Farzanah

To be fair volver many GPs do not understand medical statistics in my experience.

David Spiegelhalter is worth listening to in understanding risk and has podcasts on YouTube. One can be found where he discusses on Ben Yeoh Chats - Covid stats. Thinking about risk in life and Medicine. Covid by Numbers
for those interested nerds like me.

And me, Farzanah, and others who enjoy "more or less" on Radio 4 probably!

The government here is reporting 2.2 adverse effects per 1,000 Covid vaccinations. Up to June 2022 there were 13 deaths directly associated with the vaccinations for people aged 34-81. So not a lot considering nearly everyone in Australia has been vaccinated (87.4%)

I have always protested the Lies, damned lies and statistics statement for just the reason you state, growstuff. It is not that figures themselves that are inaccurate or misleading, just what people do with them.

MOnica I originally read about it in one of my partner's magazines (Chemistry World, I think). I asked about p-hacking (manipulation of data analysis) and was subjected to a lengthy demonstration on how scientists exploit data to prove patterns which don't exist.

The trouble is that once these simplistic headlines, based on wrong conclusions, get out into mainstream media, it's very difficult to disprove them because most people (including me) don't understand complex statistics and they're not based on outright lies.

growstuff thank you for that link, I have filed it for future use

Not but raggletagglegypsy, like all of her/his ilk, having posted their load of tosh, will not be seen or heard of again.

A (not I) - typo.

Is the World Health Council Conference the one with Aseem Malhotra?

If so, it's worth reading the FactCheck.

factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.32L483D

I number of articles and scientists have shown that the talk is misleading and uses biased data.

Raggletagglegypsy

Please watch this world health council conference. It is not anecdotal. The government are paying out for vaccine damage and death. The EU are also discussing risks of this vaccine. The general media do not discuss it. There are many reputable medical consultants discussing this now.

Governments pay out for vaccine damage caused by all kinds of vaccines, including whooping cough. Sadly like everything else in life (except death) nothing is 100% certain, and sadly a few, very few children/adults suffer catastrophic damage from vaccines for almost anything.

Of course the EU are discussing the risks of this vaccine. I would be worried if they weren't. The EU, like NICE keep all these things under review, so that they can respond quickly, should any problem arise.

The general media do not discuss this? In what world do you live? The general media are always discussing this - and every other aspect ofthe disease.

The problem with all you anti-vaxxers, is that what you write is full of vague non-sequiturs but completely lacking any links to peer-reviewed papers in the main, and respected medical and biomedical journals that support your health claims. Please do not say there is some conspiracy not to publish. That is the last resort of those who wouldn't recognise a peer reviewed article or a medical journal if it came up with their morning tea.

The rise in stillbirths could also be related to many other things but predominantly not having the same midwife for the last weeks of pregnancy; I know this from experience in my own family.
Outwardly fit and healthy people drop down dead too without having the vaccine. You might remember the footballer a little while back.
Dementia rates of progress were probably as much due to Lockdown as the vaccine. That happened to my mother but there has been no rapid decline after each booster.
As for cancer, there are many types which go from a few cells to causing death within a short time. There are things that can increase the speed of cancer such as pregnancy so I think it probably luck of the draw.
I am sure that there are some people who are adversely affected but the large majority have no problems whatsoever. You could say the same for any medicine, vaccination or situation!