I haven’t had the Covid vaccine and I don’t know what to do now?

www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-pfizer-vaccine-transmission-idUSL1N31F20E

Not YouTube. You know what I think of YouTube as a source of medical information.

We weren't lied to. Anybody who thinks that has problems discerning actual scientific outcomes from scaremongering. The reason that they didn't test for the effect on transmissibility is because that is not what the trials require. They didn't test to see if it tasted like melons either. Because that's not what the trials require.

The vaccines do reduce transmission because for a period after you've had it, you are less likely to catch COVID. It doesn't remove susceptibility to Covid completely. If you cast your mind back 2 years you might remember that we were in deep s**t. We needed something to reduce the spread of COVID and the vaccine did it.

It's not clever to parrot the idea that Pfizer lied to us. It is clever to understand that the appropriate response when you are in the worst part of a pandemic might not be the appropriate response 2 years later. That doesn't mean it was wrong at the time. This seems quite difficult for people to understand.

There is now thankfully much more peer reviewed research and select committee enquiries from all over the world to enable people to make a much more informed decision than they could at the start of the vaccination rollout. If people want to ignore this research and their findings, that's up to them of course.
The latest findings from the EU's select committee on the Pfizer vaccines for example, was that no trials were ever carried out on the effect of transmission of the Virus. They had no time to do so as they had a £2 billion investment at stake and had to move quickly.
So, the question is, why did all the world leaders insist that getting vaccinated had to be done in order to save others and stop the spread? Indeed, it was the whole basis of the vaccine passports, which were implemented across Europe under the threat of prison sentences in some countries.
Why did Pfizer not correct these statements immediately?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A2ZkW8pUWg

It was a very long hearing but the answer to the question of trials regarding transmission comes at @58 minutes in.
I am vaccinated because I believed what we were told. There is now too much evidence to suggest that we were lied to, my blind trust has now gone. I don't know if it was a different situation in the UK?

When studies are done on the side effects of drugs and procedures, those participating are asked to record every single health detail that follows, whether they are in the active group or the one that has the placebo. Once the results are analysed, it is often found that the placebo section recorded as many "side effects" as the active section.

Reading the full account of the research makes that clear, and the significance of any correlation is given an "r value" to show how likely it is that the "side effect" is due to the thing being tested or is just a co-incidence. However, a non-statistical journalist may be struck by the list of health problems encountered and publish them as caused by the substance under test.

That is why it is so important to go to the original source report of the trial for accurate information - and to refer back to that original report when passing the facts on, so that others know you haven't got the wrong end of the stick.

I’ve had 5 covid vaccs and feel fine. I am however at the age where statistically I’m more likely to be prone to illnesses such as cancer, heart attack and stroke. If or when I do I won’t be blaming the covid vaccine.

I used to vaccinate children, and remember one day a child was brought for vaccs, and had a slight cold. I decided to postpone the vacc until the following week. During that week the child started fitting and was admitted to hospital!

Without a doubt the vaccine would have been implicated if given.

I do hope that Suzy posts links to the sources of her research, so that they can be evaluated by the many people on Gransnet who are experienced in doing peer reviews of original studies. That will be so much more useful than rehashes of stuff from Youtube.

If Suzy is going to tell us about every person she knows who had bad health after the CoVid jab, I will tell you about MY health, which is exceedingly good after having all the available vaccinations. In the last three years I have had no side effects at all, and hardly any other illnesses either, except a slight cold or two. So my immune system has the same protection against all infections as it had before and possibly more.

On the other hand, when CoVid was at its height before the vaccines were released, two friends of my son, out of the four who caught it together on holiday, were hospitalised and very ill, several others who had had the virus are still suffering from after effects, and the husband of a friend has died from it. Since vaccination was introduced, no-one I know has been hospitalised or died.

This is anecdotal - as are Suzy's stories - but there is authority for stating that statistically 1 in 2 people will develop some form of cancer during their lifetime, ( www.nhs.uk/conditions/cancer/ ) and the BMJ says that "Those who had had covid-19 had a 72% increased risk of heart failure, 63% increased risk of heart attack, and 52% increased risk of stroke compared with controls." ( www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o378 ) That is those who actually had CoVid.

YouTube?

My OH is very hooked on all the stuff about aliens at the moment.

Apparently they live at the bottom of the sea so we can’t find them…..

They’re here for research purposes?

WATCHING YOUTUBE IS NOT RESEARCH!!!

SUZYB i totally agree with you and WHIFF i really think you should do some research i posted before about watching (safe and effective) on YouTube seems no one did very interesting

I’m such a cynic?

You know Lathyrus I had a post half written wondering why people do this. Now I know! Thank you!

Good business for a litigation solicitor though. Putting stuff like this about will encourage a lot of claims.

Follow the money!

volver capitalised in all the same places - another sign that it is a load of twaddle.

Respectable and highly qualified Drs and Scientists all around the World

Interestingly that's the second time this exact phrase has appeared on GN this week. Its almost like it's been copied verbatim from somewhere ?

SuzyB So much knowledge and erudition and not a single link to any academic source, good bad or indifferent.

You could be anybody posing as anything and writing a post like this. I am sure I could do the same, given the time and inclination. As other GN members will tell you, I can do the high academic style like the best of them (and very boring it is too), at least we have that much in common). But when I do it. I too have done my research and prove it by regular links to reliable sources. I also know, from all my researches that a lack of references is a sure sign the poster is trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

Redo your post with all the references to the research you quote and we might give it some serious consideration, for the moment however, I am going to treat your post the way I would treat the work of other medical charlatans, like Andrew Wakefield. A qualified doctor and research scientist, who bent and falsified research, for his personal benefit.

I for one do not bother with research or statics. But I will not run the risk of catching Covid so am having my booster next week and my flu jab this week.

Saying Covid jabs gave people cancer is irresponsible. It's like people saying mobile phones give you cancer.

My husband died at the age of 47 from malignant melanoma grade 4. He was told he wouldn't have 5 years he lived 3. So do I blame the sun or our generations lack of sun cream he was born in 1957 for his cancer of course not as that is ludicrous.

Either have the Covid jab, flu jab , pneumonia and shingles jab plus all the other health checks we can have or not.

Statics are just that numbers not people. We all have common sense use it. If you decide not to have the Covid jab I hope you consider other people and wear a mask when out of your home and at least do a lateral flow test every week.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

growstuff more importantly cruise company's insist all passengers take LF test the morning of the cruise.

Although having just returned froma cruise with COVID, as did DH, and DD. I would have preferred it if we had had to do the test in the presence of nurse or similar immediately before we joined the ship.

People can lie about having done tests.

growstuff

I do know that a disproportionately high number of care home staff lost their lives because they caught Covid.

I know - and I don't really understand why people from some ethnic groups were so reluctant to be vaccinated. I'm sure somebody will explain.

I was asking how many "tens of thousands" of care workers had died from being vaccinated, which is what MadeinYorkshire was implying.

Quite honestly, if I had worked in a high risk job, such as care work, and belonged to a group which was known to be at higher risk of being badly affected, I would have jumped at the offer to be vaccinated, whether or not my employer told me to have it.

I don't know what the rationale is for cruise companies to insist that passengers are vaccinated. It won't stop the virus being transmitted, but I guess it means that they won't have a ship full of seriously ill people. Their rules and people have to accept them.

welbeck

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/13/zero-scent-candles-covid

twitter.com/datadrivenmd/status/1578982975470858240

Beware spurious correlations. For instance, the graph of the per capita consumption of mozzarella cheese correlates 95.8% (r = 0.958468) with that of civil engineering doctorates awarded.

More staggering correlations at www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

I would only say that, prior to vaccination becoming available, four people that I knew personally died of Covid. Since vaccination everyone I know has either been very mildly ill or not caught it at all. And no one's had any side effects from the vaccine.

I'd just take my GP's advice. It's strange how people always find the 'reasons' to support their decisions. Life is risky, whatever we decide - oh, and failing to make a decision is still a choice - as you decide to do nothing. All the evidence shows that it's safer to be immunised, though - so why risk ignoring it?

You are in a bit of a quandary.
The thing only you can decide.
I understand where you are coming from with side effect and allergic reactions, I also have allergic reactions to unknown things. side effects to the medication I am on.
My husband as had all his jabs and still went into hospital for 11 days ended up with blood clots on the lungs and a DVT in his leg. Caught Covid when we visited our daughter and family from our grandson who in turn went to a birthday party and the mums didn't test their children hence it was passed on.
Life is like that we don't know what is round the corner do we, we all takes risks everyday we go out crossing the road.
What can you do stay in, don't see anyone, don't go out, that's not life.
If your GP as said not to have the Flu jab take his advice, if he advices you to have the vaccine there's only you who can decide.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/13/zero-scent-candles-covid

twitter.com/datadrivenmd/status/1578982975470858240

i bet mr draper and ms garraway wish the covid vaccine had been available a year earlier.
there is now an upsurge in covid infections and hospital admissions again.
apparently this coincides with increased one star rating reviews of scented candles.