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Oh, I think everybody on here can draw conclusions all right.
As well as having a developed view on topics of the day.

If I had to equate the trans activist movement and its actions to anything it would be something quite other than Jewish.

However I think no one group can ever really be used to justify the actions of another. Each is unique in themselves.

It simply clouds the issues and is perhaps intentionally used to do so.

I always assume that when I make complex points on GN, others will be able to understand them. I always assume everyone is able to draw conclusions and have a developed view on topics of the day.

I'm so often disappointed 😥

do stop trying to make the case for Racism, Volver
When other avenues are drying up one has to find other ways.

volver

Replace the word "trans" with "Jewish."

Still feeling you have a supportable position?

I very much object to the equating of Jewish people to the trans movement.

They are in no way the same.

I do consider that a racist remark.

Transmen are safer am sure in a womens prison Galaxy because of their biological sex.
Transwomen say they are not safe in mens prisons, but neither are good looking young men either.
The answer surely is for a special transwomens unit within a male prison.

I apply the same 'discrimination' to all men, I dont think exclusion from single sex spaces is discrimination but I am just trying to be clear. My opinions on single sex spaces are nothing to do with the behaviour of a group other than the group which is Male.

No one can say that some transpeople/jewish/ginger haired people behave badly and that spoils it for all the transpeople/jews/ginger haired people.

It is blaming people who can be described by a particular adjective for the bad behaviour of other people who can be described with the same adjective. That, by definition, is discrimination.

Not for me it isnt. It's about their sex. So transmen as I keep saying are safer in female prisons due to their sex. It's nothing to do with being trans for me. It's to do with peoples sex.

Do stop trying to make this a case of racism Volver
It is neither race nor religion that is the problem, but as Mollygo states ‘it is the behaviour of some trans and the raucous support for their behaviour that has tarnished the image and caused the trouble for all trans’.
Stonewall have a lot to answer for.Having no reason really now for their existence having achieved their objectives for gay people they have cast their lot in with the trans groups.
At last though, politicians have woken up and are listening to women.

Replace the word "trans" with "Jewish."

Still feeling you have a supportable position?

Accepting transwomen as women.🤣🤣
But do you accept transwomen as female or do you agree that they’re male?

There are a few posters who always imply that others are anti-trans just because they believe that female rights should take precedence over those of TW when those of TW harm females.
They do this regardless of how often they are told that it is the behaviour that I am anti, not all trans.

Remember! It is the behaviour of some trans and the raucous support for their behaviour that has tarnished the image and caused the trouble for all trans.

Yes I believe gender dysphoria is real, although I think it is as we have often seen wrongly diagnosed and treated. But that diagnosis has no impact on someones actual sex.

Violet - ‘the big difference is I do believe gender disphoria is real’. I haven’t seen anything from the posters you’re disagreeing with that denies gender didphoria isn’t recognised as ‘real’ by psychiatrists.
Let us know when you ‘find a forum where people actually hold the views assigned ‘ to you

I often wonder if a son's pleadings about a mother's mental illness should carry as much weight as it apparently does? If I'm banned tomorrow been nice knowing you

I've misunderstood you, not lied. What did you mean about quoting then rosie?

I don't misquote or misrepresent

I understand your comment and your concerns and I have said so many times in the past.

The main difference is that I do believe gender dysphoria is real and there is a biological cause.

I also accept trans women as women. In the past I've used the phrase "under the umbrella of women" if that rings any bells even if I am unsure of that way of describing it now.

I've also explained in the past many times that i think the "trans" should stay because we need to be able to differentiate between women, trans women, men and trans men to ensure that everyone gets the appropriate help, support and medical treatment they need.

I've also said that I don't expect traumatised women to share the same space with trans women if they do not wish too and explained how a refuge like the one I was in could have accommodated trans women as well with its seperate secure floors without risking further harm to a traumatised woman who need to focus on recovery not anyone's opinion of their beliefs.

I've also agreed that the issue of sports is a valid one and suggested serperate or mixed categories is the answer for both trans women and women to compete fairly.

I don't agree with being able to simply self ID without any form of safeguarding in place and I've said that many many times.

Again, it is possible to be pro trans without being anti women and many in my intetsectional circles also share these concerns

Sharing concerns can be done without alienating or discriminating against an entire demographic.

Now please tell me who misrepresents who because my stance has never changed from the start yet I'm still being told what I think or feel by women who were there and read those answers every time I gave them

Maybe the answer is to find a forum where people actually hold the views assigned to me (ive never met these people and dont know where they are) and argue with them about it instead?

VioletSky

Wait Rosie

So you have realised now that yoi tried to quote me but the function didn't work so I didn't realise you were saying something to me..
But you are still angry with me about it?

erm.... thanks?

No I didn't try to quote you, stop assuming or even lying. Here is the post when I replied to you
Rosie51 Wed 02-Nov-22 22:33:23
VioletSky
Again to add to the mix we need to understand if those people have genuine gender dysphoria

Can anyone tell me how we do that and if it matters to you?

It matters to me

Anyway bed time

Of course it matters! But given that TRAs and trans allies and some transgender people are saying that they object to any need for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria how would you ever know? Scotland, under the leadership of Nicola Sturgeon, is proposing to introduce legal self ID from age 16, no diagnosis of any kind required, it will be self declaration.
It is quite obvious that at least some of the self identified transwomen offenders only discovered they were transgender after they had been charged, or after sentencing. While the chant remains TWAW and 'people are who they say they are' you will never have any way of telling. This is the crux of why some of us believe that certain safe spaces must exclude all male born people, even those with a GRC, and why the EA must confirm that the protected category of 'sex' be defined clearly as the biological sex which was observed at birth. People should be free to live their lives as they wish within the confines of the law, but sex is immutable, and in a very few instances it truly does matter.
The whole of the quote in italics is my reply to you. Feel free to misquote me, or misrepresent me, I know that's your forte. You really think that people that only read and don't post are decieve d by your dishonest posts?

Wait Rosie

So you have realised now that yoi tried to quote me but the function didn't work so I didn't realise you were saying something to me..
But you are still angry with me about it?

erm.... thanks?

Yeah right! Please don't bother with the 'put downs' they don't impress me or other posters without an agenda. The fact I quoted your post didn't show....... you are in my opinion a fraud, we'll both be happier ignoring each other's posts. I leave the readers to judge.

Rosie51

VioletSky thanks for totally ignoring my thought out reply to you. I shan't bother again because it's obvious you don't want truth or other perspectives, just an endorsement of your point of view.

Oh for goodness sake

If I've missed something I have missed it because refreshing didn't show it or it hasn't got neon flashing lights spelling "This is the most important comment in the world" with a big arrow pointing at it.

But please feel free to not bother, I am sure we will both be happier

VioletSky thanks for totally ignoring my thought out reply to you. I shan't bother again because it's obvious you don't want truth or other perspectives, just an endorsement of your point of view.

Doodledog

*Someone without true gender dysphoria abusing the rights of others to attack women is just a male predator so yes it does matter. An offender will still offend by other means if that is their goal.*

But someone with true gender dysphoria abusing the rights of others to attack women is A ok?

This makes absolutely no sense. I have sympathy with people who have gender dysphoria, but hadn't really considered that people might fake it. I suppose people do what people can do, but that's a new one on me.

Anyway, if memory serves, the question about genuine GD was asked with reference to the law, and the fact remains that laws are about actions, not 'feelings'. There can't be two people charged with the same offence and treated differently because one says he has feelings that differ from the other's, so whether GD is real or faked is irrelevant, really - it is not a defence in law.

Doodledog I didn't get past your second paragraph because frankly it's disgusting

I absolutely know you don't think I think that and I know you know I am a survivor and my hatred for abuse of women and children as we have discussed it on different threads.

I feel tainted and dirty after the last few comments so thank you for that guys.

Self reflection and personal growth is a wonderful thing

Sleep well

Mollygo

VS
I'm going to keep pointing out what's not true when it isn't.
And those who know the truth-that males are male will keep on pointing out what’s true-when it is.
Anyway bedtime.🤣

You do you

Your belief is protected and I respect the equality act... I thought we covered this?

But if a person has to speak untruths or change the narrative to justify their position in order to vent their anger... Well I think a little self reflection is in order really

I rarely report by the way and only report really malicious personal attacks... not expressed opinions. Those I just disagree with

Someone without true gender dysphoria abusing the rights of others to attack women is just a male predator so yes it does matter. An offender will still offend by other means if that is their goal.

But someone with true gender dysphoria abusing the rights of others to attack women is A ok?

This makes absolutely no sense. I have sympathy with people who have gender dysphoria, but hadn't really considered that people might fake it. I suppose people do what people can do, but that's a new one on me.

Anyway, if memory serves, the question about genuine GD was asked with reference to the law, and the fact remains that laws are about actions, not 'feelings'. There can't be two people charged with the same offence and treated differently because one says he has feelings that differ from the other's, so whether GD is real or faked is irrelevant, really - it is not a defence in law.

Also also if anyone thinks they are more qualified than the ridiculously huge medical profession and the DSM that recognises gender dysphoria and the recommended treatment...

What else do you question?

Seriously?

What else do you question? Or are they only wrong about one thing?

Because misdiagnosis happens sadly in many different areas but that doesn't invalidate the condition itself