Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for woman who requested single-sex care

I’m afraid there have been proven cases of assault by medical staff with a penis whilst a patient was unconscious.

Whilst I probably wouldn’t worry about the operating theatre because of the number of people there I would be concerned about aftercare if a person with a penis was to be the only one present involved in intimate care whilst I was unconscious.

As she was someone who had experienced assault by a male organ it shouldn’t be difficult to understand why she would feel very vulnerable and powerless.

She was attacked by a man Fleurpepper I don't suppose it matters whether or not he was Jewish or Chinese, a man is a man.

From the reports, it looks as though she was trying to make a point even before she arrived at the hospital. The hospital should never have accepted her as a patient with the demands she made.

Lathyrus

I’m afraid there have been proven cases of assault by medical staff with a penis whilst a patient was unconscious.

Whilst I probably wouldn’t worry about the operating theatre because of the number of people there I would be concerned about aftercare if a person with a penis was to be the only one present involved in intimate care whilst I was unconscious.

As she was someone who had experienced assault by a male organ it shouldn’t be difficult to understand why she would feel very vulnerable and powerless.

The trans nurse had no involvement in her care.

I suspect what happened is that she specified to the private hospital that she wanted all female staff. On the day of the operation, one of the staff turned out to be trans. Nobody else was available. She said she couldn't go ahead. Operation didn't happen as planned.

Then roused all the gender warriors and tweeted like it was going out of fashion and made a big thing of it.

I've got little sympathy, sorry.

My daughter has carers 4 times a day, and once in the night. At the beginning we requested no male carers, as she`d never had anything to do with men at all. They did their best to accommodate us, but as they took on more and more male carers, this wasn`t always possible, and she now accepts care from men as well as women.
If I was very ill and needed treatment right there and then, it wouldn`t matter to me what sex, creed or colour the nurses or doctors were, it doesn`t matter at any time, actually.

volver

If the patient had been attacked by a Jewish person, would it have been OK to object to having a Jewish person on the medical team?

It's the penis that's the problem, not the religion or race.

Fleurpepper

What if she had been attacked by a black woman, or a Jewish man, or a Chinese?

I meant, it is possible to make specific requests, perhaps, in extreme circumstances. But the health services are so stretched, with a great shortage of qualified staff, it is not possible to guarantee what happens on the day.

It's a private hospital. It sounds as though this woman thought her money could buy exactly what she demanded.

I agree with Visgirl that there's more to this story.

volver

I suspect what happened is that she specified to the private hospital that she wanted all female staff. On the day of the operation, one of the staff turned out to be trans. Nobody else was available. She said she couldn't go ahead. Operation didn't happen as planned.

Then roused all the gender warriors and tweeted like it was going out of fashion and made a big thing of it.

I've got little sympathy, sorry.

No trans staff were involved in her care. A trans nurse entered a room where she was - that's all.

Well I suppose if you are paying for an op you could specify certain things, but then equally if the supplier wasn't able to meet your demands they have the absolute right to cancel your procedure.
Suppose someone wanted a particular anaesthetist and they were not available, wouldn't that be exactly the same situation? If your demands can't be met then they can't.

metro.co.uk/2022/10/20/hospital-cancels-gender-critical-womans-surgery-over-17604469/

And I'm sure that racists used to say that it's the colour of their skin that matters, not that they're human.

I think people don't see that they are just repeating things from 100 years ago.

"I'm scared of men so keep that bloke in a dress away from me"

growstuff

metro.co.uk/2022/10/20/hospital-cancels-gender-critical-womans-surgery-over-17604469/

Oh good lord...

I suspect what happened is that she specified to the private hospital that she wanted all female staff. On the day of the operation, one of the staff turned out to be trans. Nobody else was available. She said she couldn't go ahead. Operation didn't happen as planned. your suspicion is totally wrong. They emailed her to say they'd cancelled her operation.

Some women are scared of men volver and for good reason. Racism and what was said 100 years ago are irrelevant.

growstuff

Fleurpepper

What if she had been attacked by a black woman, or a Jewish man, or a Chinese?

I meant, it is possible to make specific requests, perhaps, in extreme circumstances. But the health services are so stretched, with a great shortage of qualified staff, it is not possible to guarantee what happens on the day.

It's a private hospital. It sounds as though this woman thought her money could buy exactly what she demanded.

I agree with Visgirl that there's more to this story.

Putting aside the moral Euston for the moment.

If we pay for something most of us expect to get what we paid for I suppose.

If the hospital took her money with the agreement that it would be all female staff, that’s what they should have provided. If they couldn’t provide it on the specified day did they breach their contract?

Is selling private medicine is the same as selling anything else?

question. Euston🙄😬

Rosie51

^I suspect what happened is that she specified to the private hospital that she wanted all female staff. On the day of the operation, one of the staff turned out to be trans. Nobody else was available. She said she couldn't go ahead. Operation didn't happen as planned.^ your suspicion is totally wrong. They emailed her to say they'd cancelled her operation.

Yes I know. The reality is even worse. growstuff posted a very instructive link.

Rosie51

^I suspect what happened is that she specified to the private hospital that she wanted all female staff. On the day of the operation, one of the staff turned out to be trans. Nobody else was available. She said she couldn't go ahead. Operation didn't happen as planned.^ your suspicion is totally wrong. They emailed her to say they'd cancelled her operation.

Good on the hospital! She had complained about a trans nurse entering a room where she was. The hospital couldn't comply with her demands and she'd already complained. I can't blame the hospital for not wanting to touch her with a barge pole.

Lathyrus

growstuff

Fleurpepper

What if she had been attacked by a black woman, or a Jewish man, or a Chinese?

I meant, it is possible to make specific requests, perhaps, in extreme circumstances. But the health services are so stretched, with a great shortage of qualified staff, it is not possible to guarantee what happens on the day.

It's a private hospital. It sounds as though this woman thought her money could buy exactly what she demanded.

I agree with Visgirl that there's more to this story.

Putting aside the moral Euston for the moment.

If we pay for something most of us expect to get what we paid for I suppose.

If the hospital took her money with the agreement that it would be all female staff, that’s what they should have provided. If they couldn’t provide it on the specified day did they breach their contract?

Is selling private medicine is the same as selling anything else?

No, it didn't. No male or trans staff were involved in her care.

I notice that all on this thread who think the patient was unreasonable, do acknowledge that a transwoman nurse is a male nurse.

If the hospital was unable to meet the patient's request, they should have explained that to her rather than leave her to meet a transwoman nurse while being treated.

Bearing in mind that trans people are a minute percentage of the population, can their staff really be so 'diverse' that it's impossible for them to provide care that doesn't involve trans staff?

Good point Lathyrus.

Is this the one who instead of respectfully asking to have and all female care team, went ahead in a very derogatory way? Stating her beliefs, that she won't use pronouns, that people can't change gender and then decided she was some sort of target because someone she believed to be trans (from a quick glance) made eye contact with her?

Who is now using her surgery to get lots and lots of attention over a situation she caused by being rude?

There are ways to have your beliefs and be a polite and respectful human being.

I hope if she ever ends up in a situation where one of our trans medical community or a man saves her life she will be grateful.

If people had a DNTIBM, Do Not Treat If Biologically Male order of some description this could easily play havoc in hospitals who may not have the surgical or care staff with the correct genitals to care for people who need it.

Hmm. It was a bit more than just a transgender person coming into a room from her account.

She was in the middle of a pre-op procedure- maybe shaving?- given that it was a bowel op. And she said that eye contact was made in a way that made her feel she was being targeted in some way.

Eye contact can be very threatening particularly if you know you are going to be unconscious very shortly.

Why did the trans person even need to go into her room if they weren’t involved in her care?

Lathyrus

growstuff

Fleurpepper

What if she had been attacked by a black woman, or a Jewish man, or a Chinese?

I meant, it is possible to make specific requests, perhaps, in extreme circumstances. But the health services are so stretched, with a great shortage of qualified staff, it is not possible to guarantee what happens on the day.

It's a private hospital. It sounds as though this woman thought her money could buy exactly what she demanded.

I agree with Visgirl that there's more to this story.

Putting aside the moral Euston for the moment.

If we pay for something most of us expect to get what we paid for I suppose.

If the hospital took her money with the agreement that it would be all female staff, that’s what they should have provided. If they couldn’t provide it on the specified day did they breach their contract?

Is selling private medicine is the same as selling anything else?

Yes, agreed to some extent that the situation was different to NHS, as it was private and they had agreed. But as said, all hospitals are really stretched, perhaps they had illness/Covid, whatever, and realised they just could not guarantee women only. and cancelled. It is not clear if they gave her the choice.

Certainly in NHS, no such guarantee can be given. They can say they will try, and can do no more.

As said, it does create precedent of acceptable discrimination. What about my cousin in South Africa- who was not allowed to come anywhere near white patients? What if one of those patients had been attacked by a coloured woman in the past? Would that make it OK?

As it happens, my cousin was employed in a very posh white only hospital, by one of the Consultants who had worked with here in London. She worked in Theatre, and only after patients were asleep, and before they woke up! Apartheid hey? GOOD on him/them- the whole team at the hospital.