Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for woman who requested single-sex care

Yes as long as I am happy with something it's ok.

And in fact Glorianny's post while I was typing mine shows a complete absence of empathy with anyone with a different viewpoint. Should we have told auntie she was being ridiculous for feeling humiliated? Nice way to end your life!

Wyllow3

JaneJudge

I'm glad your Mother received good care in hospital and I'm sorry you lost your Mum but you are unwilling to listen to people who are concerned about short/long term female personal care wherever you are

You just are not listening

Not, imo, appropriate to say to genuine, heartfelt, personal testimony.

Except it attempts to nullify those people whose dignity is maintained by same sex intimate care. An elderly single aunt who we supported to the last had never been intimate with a male. Yes some of the male nurses were incredibly kind, caring and all round lovely, but that didn't lessen her humiliation at having intimate procedures carried out by them. She hated every second of that care, and it did impact her last days. If I could have spared her that discomfort I would have. Just because one person is unaffected by opposite sex intimate care doesn't mean nobody is allowed to be affected. Empathy for different situations and responses doesn't cost anything.

JaneJudge

I'm glad your Mother received good care in hospital and I'm sorry you lost your Mum but you are unwilling to listen to people who are concerned about short/long term female personal care wherever you are

You just are not listening

I'm listening. I simply disagree about personal care, because I have experienced excellent personal care for women by men. Now you may prefer to have a woman carer but certainly my mother preferred the man and the care he gave was vastly superior to that provided by some of the female staff. Having witnessed that I consider warnings that female carers are necessary in old age to be completely misleading. As far as I'm concerned the quality of the care is more important than the sex of the provider.

JaneJudge

I'm glad your Mother received good care in hospital and I'm sorry you lost your Mum but you are unwilling to listen to people who are concerned about short/long term female personal care wherever you are

You just are not listening

Not, imo, appropriate to say to genuine, heartfelt, personal testimony.

I'm glad your Mother received good care in hospital and I'm sorry you lost your Mum but you are unwilling to listen to people who are concerned about short/long term female personal care wherever you are

You just are not listening

JaneJudge

ALL of us on this thread could or will become women with disabilities who require personal care unless we are lucky (or rich) because old age isn't very kind to lots of people

My mother spent the last three months of her life in hospital where the best personal care she received was from a male nurse who was the kindest and gentlest person she encountered. He was not only highly skilled, he had great empathy. My mother adored him. There were a couple of women nurses who treated her as if she wasn't all there. She also had a male social worker who was trying to organise her discharge and treated her with the utmost respect. If I need personal care in the future I certainly wouldn't judge that care by the sex of the provider.

Inknow that is a depressing thought btw but I am being realistic

ALL of us on this thread could or will become women with disabilities who require personal care unless we are lucky (or rich) because old age isn't very kind to lots of people

I’m not very technically skilled, so no surprise I don’t know how to hide threads either. Not that I need to hide threads I’ve no interest in, games for example I scroll on by. If I’m not finding the discussion interesting -scroll on by

JaneJ -that’s a true reflection of the lack of concern for women with disabilities.

Jane, it must be awful to have people dismissing your perfectly reasonable concerns so glibly. Little comfort I know but we do see the callousness displayed at times.

I can't hide threads either Rosie51

Also it is clear on this thread that people discriminate against women with disabilities and their safety if we are going to start calling people out

Not that there's a thread I want to hide, but if I did how would I do it please as I can't see any 'hide' tab?

VioletSky

I had this thread hidden but accidentally clicked on it in "trending" thinking it was a different one

It needs to be hidden again I'm afraid along with the rest and I won't be back for a long time after what has been said to me

Ok

Have a nice evening

I had this thread hidden but accidentally clicked on it in "trending" thinking it was a different one

It needs to be hidden again I'm afraid along with the rest and I won't be back for a long time after what has been said to me

But VS, it’s you who constantly and unwarranted accuses others of discrimination against all trans whilst I and other posters explain which trans activities are wrong and that they have no issues with trans who don’t do those activities.
I’ll explain again if it will help.
Either you don’t understand simple explanations or you’re not “being kind”.

Anyway I’m just popping out as I want to finish my marking before Strictly, but I may pop in later.

Urgh

Here we go again with the discrimination against all trans people

You don't need that in these conversations and they would be more productive without it

Meh

* sorry missed the 'some' before male bodied transwoman.

And a man who decides he truly wants to be female, and goes through a very long process, hormonal and surgical, then legal to become officially a female on all papers.

Not a female. You can’t change sex.

Why should such a person not become a surgeon, a GP, a nurse or a carer?

Why not indeed.

Why would such a person be any more of a threat than the average man or woman, or gay?
They shouldn’t, and until the upsurge of cheating, distressing and harmful TW and their supporters and their rise to fame with violence, publicity stunts, death threats and harassment against females who said you can’t change sex, was there a problem?

Dragging in violent females is just a sidetrack. No one I know has objected to restrictions being placed on females prone to violence.

Fleurpepper you refer to transwomen who have had full surgical reassignment. Given that most transwomen retain a functioning penis do you consider them to be just like your niece, and should they too be able to access female only spaces? Lesbians are increasingly complaining that male bodied transwomen declare themselves to be lesbians and want to have sex with them. They get abused and called transphobes for saying they will not have sex with anyone with a penis.

As a general enquiry can anyone tell me is there an exclusive word for an adult human female? Is there an exclusive word for an adult human male? Male and female are not specific to humans, a cow is a female bovine, a stallion is a male horse. They have their exclusive words and yet humans are seemingly being denied that exclusivity. Even plants have specific names for the male part and the female part.

And we disagree.

And it has nothing to do with OP either.

Men commit generally different crimes at different rates to women. So the threat from men and women is different. We can pretend that's not the case if you want but it wouldnt be true.

Men can feel whatever they want, they can do whatever they like to their bodies, it just doesnt alter their sex.

They can become whatever they want why on earth would I care. They by the law would still be excluded from some womens spaces. I dont believe a woman is a man with his penis removed. I think thats a deeply misogynistic idea.