Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for woman who requested single-sex care

women are allowed to request female only personal care under law this law was created because women who are ill/disabled are raped and sexually abused by men caring for them

Google it, loads of stuff comes up. It will have happened in your closest town. Recently a man was prosecuted for getting a women with down syndrome in his care pregnant

www.filia.org.uk/latest-news/2021/12/21/male-carers-and-the-sexual-abuse-of-disabled-women

It is why the law exists. No one is being unkind

Galaxy

Because I didnt create the equality act, I know it's hard to believe but I didnt .

Well yes, I get that.

I would hope you would perceive the difference between a man who decides to dress like a woman, to pretend to be a woman, whether their intentions are good, or not.

And a man who decides he truly wants to be female, and goes through a very long process, hormonal and surgical, then legal to become officially a female on all papers. Why should such a person not become a surgeon, a GP, a nurse or a carer?

Why would such a person be any more of a threat than the average man or woman, or gay? I just do not get it.

It specialises in women's health - amongst all its other specialisms.

Just in case no one has pointed this out, which seems unlikely after 32 pages

What does Princess Grace Hospital Specialise in?
Specialists in care for Women's Health including: severe endometriosis, uterine fibroids and complex gynaecological surgery and cancers, with minimally invasive treatment options including robotic surgery.

wanting female only personal care is a right within law it isn't anti anything

Because I didnt create the equality act, I know it's hard to believe but I didnt .

Have we?

Let's go back to the OP. It was all nonsense from someone with an anti trans/gay agenda- and her reaction only based on stereotypes.

Galaxy

So we have established after some time that the exclusions within the equality act which allow for single sex spaces arent discrimination.

I hope so!

So we have established after some time that the exclusions within the equality act which allow for single sex spaces arent discrimination.

No but under the law could be excluded from a female prison for example.

Galaxy

My brother is a man he is not permitted in female spaces. This is not discrimination. It is yet again the law.

Let me guess. Does you brother look like a man? Does he have a penis and gonads? What do his papers say? Is he married to a man and is he called Mrs?

I have massive hands, they are bigger than my husbands

Galaxy

Yes your relative should have the same sex based rights as anyone else as detailed in the equality act. Sorry but I find the descriptions as to why someone should be a woman based on lovely legs etc so sexist.
The equality act allows for single sex spaces where necessary. I am getting quite tired of equality law being described as discrimination.

'the feminine and lovely legs' was not sexist- but it indicates that in her case, no-one would ever guess, no-one would ever know. So she can do what she wants- her name has been changed and she is a Mrs, and she does not have to tell anyone that she was born a man. Her gametes do not show!

Even is she was naked, you would not know.

I am not excluding transpeople. As I have said transmen should be accomodated in female prisons. It is the sex (a protected chatacteristic) which should guide those decisions.

My brother is a man he is not permitted in female spaces. This is not discrimination. It is yet again the law.

No, not to exclude transpeople. Nobody has suggested that they be discriminated against. Nobody.

We have sex-based rights because (a) men are usually bigger and stronger than most women, and (b) because after centuries of real discrimination, women fought for these rights.

Including any men in the category of women removes all of those rights at a stroke.

Yes your relative should have the same sex based rights as anyone else as detailed in the equality act. Sorry but I find the descriptions as to why someone should be a woman based on lovely legs etc so sexist.
The equality act allows for single sex spaces where necessary. I am getting quite tired of equality law being described as discrimination.

Doodledog ''The fact remains that transwomen are not women, although they should be allowed to live in peace and have exactly the same (sex-based) rights as everyone else.''

sex based, why?

You know, there is theory, and RL. In RL, my niece has had her name changed, she is married to a man- and because of her looks, her rights at not 'sex based'. They are her rights, end of. Her rights to live like a woman, work like a woman- being good at her job, really appreciated, and no threat to anyone.

The other two, have the same rights too- but as their transgender is apparent (despite good hair, full sexual reversal, good clothes, etc, etc) they are discriminated against, day in, day out- and even more so at night. Why should they be? I know you don't want to hear what I am saying.

Why should we not discriminate
on ethnicity
on religion
against gays
against women
against men

but it is totally fine to exclude trans people?

There are some seriously mixed up people. . There is gender, male and female, how you want to be recognised is up to the individual, if you don’t recognise it so be it, but don’t expect others to dismiss what they believe in. If you are in need of surgery be grateful that you can have it done in a country that treats everyone, just don’t expect the system to change for just you at the expense of the majority. You don’t want surgery, so be it. Theresa waiting list fir those that do.What if surgeons because of a bad experience they had, refused to use their skills to save a life, how would that be viewed. They shouldn't be working if that’s the case.

You imply no one else lives in that world. Glorianny. How expectedly pretentious of you.

How many times do you need to be told that the only issues I and many others have with any trans are those issues created by TIM themselves and supported by TRA.

If I was introducing the person next to me I would use their name and whatever they appeared to me to be.
If they haven’t thought it important enough to tell me what sex they are or what gender they feel like on a given day then I would use he or she depending on how they appear to me or use they if I wasn’t sure.
Rather than offend one of your favourite stereotypes, the butch lesbian, (I do find that so rude and discriminatory when people say that.) I wouldn’t ask them what pronoun they preferred. The few people I know who might match your stereotype would be very offended if I implied they were male.
The more of your posts I read the more ingenuously discriminatory you appear to be.

I didn't say that they should be discriminated against. Not at all. It's just that your previous post was suggesting that because your niece is feminine-looking she is a woman. In fact, it makes no difference if people 'pass' or not (as I have said in previous posts, but clearly neither of us can remember everything). The fact remains that transwomen are not women, although they should be allowed to live in peace and have exactly the same (sex-based) rights as everyone else.

Doodledog

Nobody is suggesting that, FP. As has been explained several times. She can call herself the Duchess of Devonshire if that's what she wants to do, but as with the trans debate, saying something doesn't make it true.

Your niece is lucky that she has a feminine appearance, though. What if she looked like a man with a man's hands shoulders and legs, a deep voice and an adam's apple? Would you be using the same argument then?

If you have read my previous posts, I have 2 other friends, who transitioned when older, where it is the case. Anyone who meets them would guess, quite quickly.

And yes, I would use the same argument. Why should they be more discriminated against than my niece, just because they are not so femine and pretty. They are as nice, as caring, as good at their job, and NO threat to anyone.

THAT is my point. And the reason I mentionned mixed race children. Totally aware this is not the same. But he same point applies- children (and adults) are only considered 'mixed race' when it shows. No-one even thinks about it if it does not. My ACs and GCs are massively mixed race, from all corners of the world and skin colour- but they were born, by chance, pale with blue eyes- so they will never ever suffer discrimination. They could have been born darker, with frizzy hair and a flat nose and larger lips- and the story could have been very different.

Mollygo

Glorianny
Asking a person who is dressed in trousers and a shirt with braces, with hair cut short what pronoun she prefers? It might be "she" because she's a butch lesbian, it might be "they" because she's non-binary or it could be "he" because he's trans. It might even be "she" because she just 'likes what are termed "boy's clothes"

Boys clothes? Butch Lesbian?
You are stereotyping again. Tut, tut tut!

What a strange world you live in. I don’t ask anyone which pronoun they prefer, because if I’m talking to them I use “you”.

It may be a strange world Mollygo but it's a world where no one restricts what anyone wears or what anyone chooses to call themselves. I love it. Yes some of the people are not the sort you might find living in suburbia, but they are lovely accepting people who truly believe in equality and act upon that belief. As far as using the words I use I can only explain things to you in words you might understand, If in doing so I have to use the language of stereo typing it's the language at fault not the idea.
The same applies to Galaxy.

There is absolutely nothing in the gender critical agenda that will lead to abandoning stereotypes, only things that would subject those who are a little different to intrusive inspections. As this butch lesbian relates www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/01/19/public-toilets-trans-bathroom-butch-lesbian-harassed-gender-critical-feminists/

So when you are asked to introduce the person sitting next to you and given a few minutes to find out about them you would use "you"? Very odd grammar

I don't see where anyone has said your niece doesn't have the right to any of those things Fleur.

Nobody is suggesting that, FP. As has been explained several times. She can call herself the Duchess of Devonshire if that's what she wants to do, but as with the trans debate, saying something doesn't make it true.

Your niece is lucky that she has a feminine appearance, though. What if she looked like a man with a man's hands shoulders and legs, a deep voice and an adam's apple? Would you be using the same argument then?