Princess Grace hospital cancelled vital surgery for woman who requested single-sex care

She doesn’t sound well. In Private hospital where you can chose your patients they might have done well to say no from the start.

But, unless you’re wearing blinkers, it seems likely that the member of staff had an agenda too.

Let’s hope the investigation is thorough and disinterested.

volver

2 + 2 = 5 again.

and 3/4ters! Oh my!

Blankety, blankety, blink

Blinketty

Oh dear my snide remark has fallen flat😬

VioletSky

Oops we are back to inspecting genitals so we know who is trans or not again

When I was in hospital as a teenager, one nurse wore a wig and had pencil drawn eyelashes. She looked quite scary, and also wore red lipt stick. She was the kindest nurse ever, and excellent at her job. She was the mother of 2 of my school friends, part gipsy, and suffered from alopecia. That was in the 60s ... I imagine now, someone may think she was trans.

I dont know anything about this case but requests for same sex care are part of the equality act or rather the exemptions of the act. The NHS can not guarantee that but it's why for example you see job adverts saying Male carer required etc. So to compare it to racism etc is not accurate.

Its got nothing to do with the NHS.

I guess racism wasn't recognised as a bad thing either, 100 years ago. The world moves on and attitudes change.

Whereas my niece, who is trans and has had a full reversal aged 19- you would never ever know by looking at her, and listening to her. Is she less trans because it does not show. She is definitely a woman, and is now married to a man, and they are very happy.

So, a question. Is it OK to be trans, as long as it does not show? Is it OK to be mixed race, as long as it does not show?

No but generally in healthcare it isnt something that can always be accomodated but that doesnt change the fact that same sex provision is part if the equality act. It's why we dont have mixed sex prisons etc. Attitudes may change in the future who knows but the equality act currently allows for those exemptions.

It's fine to be trans fleurpepper but that doesnt mean you have changed sex.

The woman in question was a lawyer. I'm assuming barrister rather than solicitor, in which case she will have spent her pupillage in chambers with men, probably a majority of men. There are all-women chambers but pupillages are so scarce that the would-be barrister has to take what she can get and she would be very lucky to land in one. Even if she's a solicitor she will still have been through a rigorous and male-dominated process.

I think it's likely that she knew what she was doing from the start: setting up a news story to fuel the movement. Twitter is awash with such set-ups as the barricades go up.

The gender-critical lobby is very sweeping in its condemnation. I wonder how Teresa would have reacted to a nurse who had undergone reassignment surgery?

A transwoman nurse is a nurse. That is all anybody needs to know. We quite rightly abolished the term "male nurse" (along with "woman police constable" a long time ago now.

I know- but how would you know, in this case.

As said above, back to checking under skirts for genitals to know if you want to be looked after or not? Honestly.

My point is, I have 2 friends who are trans, one has had full reversal, one has not. And most people would guess when meeting them. My niece, you would never ever know. So is it OK for her, but not the other two?

Thank you LadyHonoriaD. I think you are spot on. Same as in other cases we have had over last few years.

volver

Its got nothing to do with the NHS.

I guess racism wasn't recognised as a bad thing either, 100 years ago. The world moves on and attitudes change.

The core issue is that a member of staff deliberately ignored the dignity of a patient and made an unauthorised and unnecessary visit to her room. The reasons why they decided to do that need to be investigated.

Support for trans people should not cloud the key issue. Neither should prejudice against trans people.

I don’t really see that racism, trans friends, 2+2 or whatever etc have anything to do with the core issue, which is not in doubt.

I think pretending that we cant generally tell what sex people are is part of the problem.

Imagine I just walled up to people and said

"It's fine to be Christian but God doesn't exist"

That would be rude

You can have protected beliefs

Nothing wrong with that

Doesn't mean you need to go around shouting it at people

It's come to something when butch lesbians get challenged in women's public toilets, as has been repofrted lately. It's not something that ever happened before.

LadyHonoriaDedlock

It's come to something when butch lesbians get challenged in women's public toilets, as has been repofrted lately. It's not something that ever happened before.

I'veemtioned this a few times.

It's just not ok

I spent many a happy hour discussing my atheism with the vicar in my community.
You do understand that people discuss atheism all the time.

Galaxy

I spent many a happy hour discussing my atheism with the vicar in my community.
You do understand that people discuss atheism all the time.

"He doesn't exist" is not a discussion and you have never discussed your views or questioned them that I have seen

Lathyrus

volver

Its got nothing to do with the NHS.

I guess racism wasn't recognised as a bad thing either, 100 years ago. The world moves on and attitudes change.

The core issue is that a member of staff deliberately ignored the dignity of a patient and made an unauthorised and unnecessary visit to her room. The reasons why they decided to do that need to be investigated.

Support for trans people should not cloud the key issue. Neither should prejudice against trans people.

I don’t really see that racism, trans friends, 2+2 or whatever etc have anything to do with the core issue, which is not in doubt.

It is being investigated!!!

Next problem please1

VioletSky

Imagine I just walled up to people and said

"It's fine to be Christian but God doesn't exist"

That would be rude

You can have protected beliefs

Nothing wrong with that

Doesn't mean you need to go around shouting it at people

Um, You mean like “I’m a woman. Suck my woman dick”
or “Gay is another word for coward”.

Stuff like that?

It's a statement of belief. I am an atheist, I dont believe in the existence of God. Are you saying I cant say that.

growstuff

Lathyrus

volver

Its got nothing to do with the NHS.

I guess racism wasn't recognised as a bad thing either, 100 years ago. The world moves on and attitudes change.

The core issue is that a member of staff deliberately ignored the dignity of a patient and made an unauthorised and unnecessary visit to her room. The reasons why they decided to do that need to be investigated.

Support for trans people should not cloud the key issue. Neither should prejudice against trans people.

I don’t really see that racism, trans friends, 2+2 or whatever etc have anything to do with the core issue, which is not in doubt.

It is being investigated!!!

Next problem please1

Tell it to the others😁

This is from the woman's initial complaint:

"During my initial assessment I told you how transphobic I was, with my demands for single-sex accomodations and my refusal to use trans people’s pronouns or to otherwise “engage” with “gender ideology”
I am using a private hospital like yours because the are so many rapes at NHS facilities
In just the last few years men have started watching so much gross porn that I am frightened that someone will snap kinky porn of me with their cellphone camera
When I came in for a pre-surgical exam today, a creepy man in drag came into my exam room for a moment, uninvited, and looked at me
This demonstrates that you do not take care to protect women
Therefore I request that
no males other than doctors or my doctor’s team may have direct contact with me unless I give permission
I get a private room and bathroom
you log that person coming into the room as a Patient Dignity Lapse."

The hospital replied the next day (not three day later, as claimed by her supporters) that it was cancelling the op because it could not provide what she was requesting.