Gender identity specialists accuse psychology body of ‘contributing to fear’

Willow3 you raise one of the most significant problems. 12 years of slashing nhs, mental health, substance misuse clinics, family support etc etc means we are all getting poor services

The police are having to step in when the person in crisis needs mh assessment and support agree that there’s need for
gender identity support services to be available in local areas
It’s infuriating and depressing thst like every other mh or social need it’s underfunded with no real hope things will change

Gender Services are funded by Mental Health Trusts.

In most places its a case of "what gender services".

"We need calm, well informed planning, policy making and research based services. "

I agree, but they are not there except in small pockets.

Example: my city has 1.5 workers to cover ALL sexual and gender issues.

Example about MH services in general for young people: my nieces is the Head teacher of a very large city in the SW of England.
A young person has to have tired to commit suicide TWICE before they get to see someone. that is actual policy.

The psychologists quite rightly have pointed out that tho it was proper closing down GIDS the report was absolutely clear that gender services needed to be there throughout the country instead.

Well, they are rarely there, and when there is, waiting lists are endless.

so its no good talking about it in there when the resources are not there AND I can assure you (as recent governor on local MH Trust) there is no new funding coming their way.

I get fed up of people saying "they should be doing this or that or the other" and then the outcomes would be x,y,z.

I have great regret that in the many discussions around gender identity in GN this is NOT highlighted.

for example, if the resources were really there, we could be looking at effective Gender Recognition Certificates as part of policy instead of endless articles going round in circles. We may also have less people resorting to extreme opinions if people are not left in sometimes desperate situations - and a small minority to sometimes act it out - due to lack of this help.

Everyone should be cross about any organisation that hasn't been providing adequate care and due diligence in cases like these.

"We need calm, well informed planning, policy making and research based services. This isn't what the Gids service was providing", exactly Iam.

What matters to us all I'm sure Fleur is that the proper care is given. That there is a full understanding of what's being considered and for some, the irreversible consequences of decisions taken.

Sorry just can't credit GC feminism as doing much good, definitely more harm than good on balance

Exactly so Galaxy about what seems to be over representation of children on the autistic spectrum who seek help because of confusion about their gender.

Many of the children involved have autism, I spend most of my professional life talking about the need for more funding for those children.

And I dont entirely blame the tavistock for the lack of research based practice, the lack of research in general is fairly worrying.

I am not taking credit for anything. Organisations with those kind of failures shouldnt have more reach, that would have perpetuated more damage. As I say I think its likely there will be legal action.

How on earth could I take credit for the Gids clinic being closed.
Where is your evidence that I don’t want more funding and better understanding of the emotional and psychological welfare of young people?
We need calm, well informed planning, policy making and research based services. That isn’t want the Gids service was providing

foxie 48, I feel conflicted too. Like you, I would not want anyone to encourage teenagers towards transitioning and taking hormones and drugs. They should be given time and support, and explanations about it being natural for many becoming adults, to have doubts about their sexuality, and explore the reasons why this might be. Tell them they will eventually have the choice, but that they must not rush into it. Kindness and tolerance should not be read as encouragement and certainly not, any form of cohersion.

There have been cases where young people who fully trans'ed. with hormone treatment, full ablation and reconstruction. who have regretted it at a later stage, and blamed the support they were given turned out to push them to act too soon.

Massively difficult. Kids are bombarded with TV programmes too, in which being gay, trans or a Drag Queen, is the only way to be 'interesting and fun'. Very sad.

My niece (ex nephew) was very clear. Aged 17 he sais clearly ' if you don't support me 100% in my choice to become female, hormones, breast, ablation and reconstruction - I will kill myself. She looks great, is married to a non gay man, and is a carer + happy, 10 years later. Don't know what the answer is.
Discrimination and restrictions as to what job she can or can't do, is certainly NOT the way. She is a great carer, and really appreciated and loved. That is good enough for me.

Why this matters so much to some of you, however, is beyond me. And this is my sincere opinion.

No Iam that's not what I said, if it helps you quoted me so can read it again easily

And you want to take credit for shutting it down rather than ever fighting for it to have more funding and staff and better reach?

VioletSky

Lol at thinking GC anyone is responsible for the Cass report or highlighting issues in a productive way in order to help trans youth

What does this mean?
‘Lol’ at the Cass report?
The Cass report is comprehensive.
It found significant safeguarding issues in the approach taken at the Gids service. What’s lol about that

Many families have been utterly let down by the tavistock, I suspect there will be many legal cases.

Young people have been failed and mistakes have been made due to lack of support services.

And people who support trans people andpeople on LGBTQ circles like me have been pointing that out for years and years, long before a GC feminists was looking for something to be cross about

VioletSky

Young people are being bullied and let down due to the way adults are handling this situation

Young people are being bullied as trans

Young people are being bullied by their families as trans

Young people who aren't trans are being bullied as trans for not conforming to gender norms

Young people are finding it increasingly difficult to get any support due to adults bullying other adults ro get their own way

And if you spend more than 5 minutes reading GC discuss the subject, it's very clear where the bullying originates

I think these statements should be qualified with the addition of the word “some” in every case.

At the moment they read as if this is happening to all young people and are therefore very sweeping and unjustly condemnatory statements.

Eg “young people are being bullied by their families as trans”
is wholly inaccurate as it stands, judgemental in a very prejudiced way and extremely hurtful for those families that are supportive of their children.

I don’t think it is helpful in any way to make such extreme, emotional statements, passing them off as fact and labelling everyone by the actions of some.

Not responsible galaxy

Young people will soon be getting more support thankfully and I hope it continues to grow

I was bullied for being lesbian when I wasn't lesbian - didnt have a clue what that might be - & didnt have feelings for either sex - I was 10. I was 18 months younger & at least one social class below the average in my secondary school when I started,& also rural in a very urban community, An out & out tomboy (because I'd always been a daddys' girl & he was a farmer so he was there for me to role-model & be with constantly), deaf (undiagnosed at that point) & even without all that, never neurotypical.I would have been straight down the gender dysphoria route only thankfully, all those years ago, there really wasn't one. I may be an exception, but with my personal experience I can't blame those who urge caution. IF anyone recognises me from this - well, hello there.

It was about safeguarding young people VS, and yes I think the guidance from the Cass report and more recently from the NHS will help young people. It was whistleblowers and women who flagged these issues. The discussions about the tavistock go back years, they are very easy for anyone to find.

Lol at thinking GC anyone is responsible for the Cass report or highlighting issues in a productive way in order to help trans youth

The cass report is clear who has let down young people, yes adults have utterly let young people down, by saying puberty blockers were harmless, by undertaking social affirmation with no evidence base, by ignoring the numerous other conditions that young people were presenting with, all issues raised by the mean gender critical women.

Young people are being bullied and let down due to the way adults are handling this situation

Young people are being bullied as trans

Young people are being bullied by their families as trans

Young people who aren't trans are being bullied as trans for not conforming to gender norms

Young people are finding it increasingly difficult to get any support due to adults bullying other adults ro get their own way

And if you spend more than 5 minutes reading GC discuss the subject, it's very clear where the bullying originates

I have felt very conflicted with regard to this question, just worried that a confused young person might go down the puberty blocker route then regret it. However, I listen to a podcast "This American Life" and the last one called "Kids these days" had something on this and how it was affecting a transgender teenager who lives in Alabama. It has really made me rethink my position. If anyone is interested it is the last section but the first section about how children cope with "lockdowns" in school to prepare for a possible gun attack is also well worth listening to. Young people are a lot more sensible then we (I) sometimes give them credit!

Another interesting article in this subject.
socialistdemocracy.org/RecentArticles/RecentANewFrontInHumanLiberationOrAMedicalScandalInTheMaking.html