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NHS problems from the horses mouth

(110 Posts)
volver Wed 16-Nov-22 13:14:58

Casdon - we need you!!

LadyGracie Wed 16-Nov-22 13:12:42

They obviously need managers but not to the detriment of medical staff. There are layer upon layer of managers, a total waste of money.

growstuff Wed 16-Nov-22 13:12:27

My sister was a middle manager in a hospital trust. She came from a nursing background. The problem for her was that there weren't enough managers, especially as the government imposed more initiatives and targets. As an increasing number of managers weren't replaced when they left, her workload was ridiculous.

volver Wed 16-Nov-22 13:11:45

growstuff

So if hospitals don't need managers, who is going to be responsible for recruitment, maintenance, the appointments and record keeping systems, cleaning, catering, ordering equipment, prioritising patients, making sure that budgets aren't overspent (and all the other tasks I've forgotten)?

The magical "hospital secretary", presumably, Growstuff.

Who can apparently implement things without anybody allocating any funds to them.

growstuff Wed 16-Nov-22 13:09:14

So if hospitals don't need managers, who is going to be responsible for recruitment, maintenance, the appointments and record keeping systems, cleaning, catering, ordering equipment, prioritising patients, making sure that budgets aren't overspent (and all the other tasks I've forgotten)?

Sar53 Wed 16-Nov-22 13:08:19

I've also thought this for some time.

A couple of years ago I volunteered at our local hospital and was put to work in some of the offices. These were staffed by managers, loads of them, at all different levels.

I was present at a meeting one day and the amount of managers was incredible.

Get rid of some of the middle managers and pass the salaries on to the people on the front line, doctors and nurses.

LadyGracie Wed 16-Nov-22 13:07:34

So have we been saying it for years, but most of the population want to keep chucking money at it.

Does anyone remember John Harvey Jones going into hospitals and looking how they were being run, now there was a man who spoke sense.

volver Wed 16-Nov-22 13:05:04

They do not need managers, whatever politicians might imagine.

Ah, the "horse's mouth."

We're doomed.

kittylester Wed 16-Nov-22 13:00:29

I have been saying this, on here and in RL, for years and years.

Racingsparrow Wed 16-Nov-22 12:50:11

Why is nobody listening to the experts.
This is a letter published in the Telegraph today

SIR – I’m a retired consultant, and I know that so-called managers have multiplied dramatically over the past quarter of a century.

Hospitals used to be run by the consultants, who are the only people with the knowledge to appreciate what is necessary in healthcare. The medical executive committee consisted of one consultant from each specialty, and it discussed what was necessary for the proper functioning of the hospital. Its decisions were communicated to the hospital secretary, who implemented them.

Now, the hospital secretary has been replaced with a CEO, who is in charge of countless other managers. This grotesque experiment in managerialism has resulted in huge increases in expenditure without any improvement in patient care, as these managers are not medically qualified. They are appointed in order to prevent doctors spending too much money.

Unless this is reversed, with consultants put in charge of all medical decisions, the NHS will collapse. The health service exists to diagnose and treat. Doctors do this with the help of nurses, physiotherapists and others. They do not need managers, whatever politicians might imagine.