Non Immunised grandchild

The only vaccines I have ever had are two or three doses of the 50's one - I think it was polio/diptheria/whooping cough and a couple of flu vaccines when I was working.

People have different views about vaccines. Most people seem to get various bugs, flu, Covid, etc., even when they have had all the vaccines. Sometimes It's just the luck of the draw. It seems an awful shame that this couple are having such pressure piled on them from every direction.

There are plenty of successful organic farms in the UK effalump and in most countries. Yes, it might mean a small rise in prices, but 'worn out soils' can be reactivated and will improve from year 1.

First I had measles, chicken pox, whooping cough and scarlet fever as a child.I had no problems from catching them, don’t think I was vaccinated against anything until I was 9 and we went abroad to live. I can’t see why the visit can’t still take place, wear a mask when travelling and around baby. It’s the parents choice

GrammyGrammy

Quokka

What are you likely to pass onto them from the following list

diphtheria
tetanus
pertussis (whooping cough)
polio
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
hepatitis B
rotavirus
meningococcal group B disease (MenB)
These will be given as 2 injections and drops into the mouth.

At 12 weeks, your baby will have immunisations against:

diphtheria
tetanus
pertussis (whooping cough)
polio, Hib
hepatitis B
pneumococcal disease
rotavirus
These will be given as 2 injections and drops into the mouth.

At 16 weeks, your baby will have immunisations against:

diphtheria
tetanus
pertussis (whooping cough) *polio
Hib
hepatitis B
MenB
These will be given as 2 injections.

1.2 Immunisations your baby will have at 1 year of age
Your baby will have immunisations against:

Hib/Meningococcal group C (MenC)
MenB
measles, mumps, rubella (MMR)
pneumococcal disease

No wonder most children have health or learning or behavioural issues nowadays with that cocktail of poisons in them!

What a ridiculous exaggeration.

I foresee and very sad and lonely world where people from one household never mixes with others JUST IN CASE they catch something. Can I suggest that everyone researches natural remedies and foods/herbs that enhance the inate immune system. We're probably going to have to consider growing our own vegetables and herbs seeing as the globe's vegetable growers have had to rely on pesticides and chemical fertilizers for so long that most soil is dead and will take several years to recover. Hard news, but it's a fact, unless you are happy to eat bugs and plastic meat from Bill Gates recies book.

My sister nearly died of whooping cough and my best friend's lungs were damaged permanently by the disease. Her adult life has been peppered with severe respiratory illmesses that end up with her being in hospital.

You were very fortunate Saggi that you have come through without vaccinations or getting any the childhood illnesses most children are vaccinated against.

I’ve reached 72 without one vaccination. Not one. I didn’t have any childhood stuff like mumps measles or chicken pox… I’ve had colds…and now got old people stuff going on…..and had two strokes at an early age of mid 30’s and mid 40’s…. None of which would’ve been covered by any injections. On that note ….if someone invents an injection to cure arthritis , I’ll be front of queue.

Yes, she may well have been more ill if she wasn't.

Lucca, I did actually say that I'd missed that the baby wasn't breastfed and I apologised ont Thu 15-Dec-22 11:18:15.

Callistemon21, breast feeding isn't a foolproof immunity but it certainly helps a lot babies. Even vaccinations aren't 100%!

Lucca

icanhandthemback

In the first year if the mother is breast feeding the baby should have all its mothers immunities so maybe that would ease your mind for at least this year.

Baby is not breastfed

It doesn't work.

DD caught measles before she was old enough to be vaccinated. She was breastfed.

icanhandthemback

In the first year if the mother is breast feeding the baby should have all its mothers immunities so maybe that would ease your mind for at least this year.

Baby is not breastfed

Getting the whooping cough vaccine during pregnancy is now recommended as it protects the baby during the first few months when they are too young to be vaccinated. www.nhs.uk/pregnancy/keeping-well/whooping-cough-vaccination/
Not 100% protection, but helps. However, if these parents are against vaccination, the mother probably didn't get it.

Although science/medicine can change when the evidence changes, in the case of vaccines, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of them. However, it is very difficult to persuade people who are anti- they are usually anti-science as well!

Surely the baby's parents will have considered their baby beig exposed to other people when they visit with you. Hopefully peope will be considerate and not travel to you if they are or suspect they may be ill. It's the parents' responsibility and choice if they want to visit.

Hanging qualified as an infectious diseases nurse in the 1950s , I would advise everyone to have their children vaccinated. If you ever saw a child with measles and whooping cough, for some reason in the 50s and 60s it was a common combination you would beg for vaccinations. Unfortunately some of these infections diseases are beginning to reappear as people don't bother to have their children vaccinated nowadays. I can fully understand your concerns about your granddaughter. I would risk the contact at this time.

My son caught measles when he was 3, and passed it on to his 6 month old sister. He was quite poorly, but she had only a mild rash and recovered quickly. The measles vaccine arrived shortly afterwards.
It's the parents' choice about not vaccinating their baby. I would just go ahead with Christmas, taking mild precautions by not passing the baby around. This seems unlikely to happen anyway, if the parents are so protective.

With respect, isn’t the problem in your last sentence - you have medical backgrounds so you can’t change your minds? Really? People with ‘medical backgrounds’ are always changing their minds, for instance when new evidence comes to light or even new fashions in pharmaceuticals.
Respect your grandchild’s parents. They have chosen to take responsibility for their child’s health and no doubt that includes the responsibility for anything that may happen if not vaccinated. Just as parents do when they choose to vaccinate.
However, I doubt that any of you are likely to pass diphtheria, polio, whooping cough or hepatitis on. As responsible adults you would stay away if unwell.
Personally, I wouldn’t let standing on a principle prevent me enjoying Christmas with my grandchildren.

There is little you can do here, except to emphasise to your son and his partner that you respect their right to hold a different opinion to yours.

But holding the opinion you do about the importance of vaccination and the risk of an unvaccinated child contracting a potentially fatal or permamently incapacitating illness such as menigitis or polio, you cannot reconcile travelling by public transport to visit them until the baby is older.

It saddens you to say this, but this is the way it is. You hope they will try to respect your point of view, and they will always be welcome to come and visit you.

That’s a tough one but I do know that my youngest granddaughter is behind on her jabs and so his my grandson because Nhs is so far behind at min

Would like to support BlueBelle here and be positive - neither of my teenage grandchildren has ever had any vaccine and they have no more time off school sick than their vaccinated friends. They're slightly taller than the average and both are keen sportspeople as well as being academically bright. I have another grandchild who has had all the usual vaccines and who has had ENT problems on and off and is always off school. This is a very small sample I know but it does show that vaccinations don't necessarily mean a child is at less risk of catching the viruses that flourish in schools.
As for your medical/scientific background Escudo, you will have to be flexible and accept that maybe you won't be able to change your opinion based on the science you believe to be right, but you're a grandparent now and that means you should be able to change your behaviour - if you don't find a way of accommodating your son's and dil's beliefs you will lose your grandchild. Scientific evidence changes all the time, and unfortunately many putting that forward aren't great statisticians as we saw throughout covid predictions and as new ways of interpreting stats emerge we can see that much of what we think is logical isn't. I hope you find a solution.

It’s their baby so their decision. Please don’t spoil your relationship with them for that.
My children were not vaccinated,and neither are their’s, bar one who has vaccinated his. That’s fine. Their children,their decision.

Any parent who refuses vaccines, especially those which have been used for decades, should be forced to watch films of crippled polio victims, deaf measles victims, brain damaged meningitis…….I could go on and on.
Many of these diseases are making a comeback due to low vaccine uptake. Don’t wait until they become endemic.

I also know a man that caught mumps as a child and became sterile because of it. He regretted his parents decision to not vaccinate all his life as it wasn't reversible

I think people who don't vaccinate children are total idiots.
We have a lot of immigrants coming into the UK and one recently died of diphtheria. Measles is rife and polio is making a come back mainly due to antivaxers.
Not all of these diseases are treatable and curable, and some have life long disabilities from catching them. I know someone who caught polio as a child and suffers a permanent limp, and I myself needed eye surgery after Measles.
Your family need to wake up to the facts of the consequences of their decision.
I wouldn't visit until the child is at least 2. But then others will so they will probably catch something from them.

Quokka

What are you likely to pass onto them from the following list

diphtheria
tetanus
pertussis (whooping cough)
polio
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
hepatitis B
rotavirus
meningococcal group B disease (MenB)
These will be given as 2 injections and drops into the mouth.

At 12 weeks, your baby will have immunisations against:

diphtheria
tetanus
pertussis (whooping cough)
polio, Hib
hepatitis B
pneumococcal disease
rotavirus
These will be given as 2 injections and drops into the mouth.

At 16 weeks, your baby will have immunisations against:

diphtheria
tetanus
pertussis (whooping cough) *polio
Hib
hepatitis B
MenB
These will be given as 2 injections.

1.2 Immunisations your baby will have at 1 year of age
Your baby will have immunisations against:

Hib/Meningococcal group C (MenC)
MenB
measles, mumps, rubella (MMR)
pneumococcal disease

No wonder most children have health or learning or behavioural issues nowadays with that cocktail of poisons in them!

You are a bully and are controlling . This is not your choice or decision and you are withholding and punishing when you haven't got your own way. Who put you in charge of your sons choices? Awful.