Why are we angry?

M0nica

Primrose Of course you are entitled to ask the question, I never queried that, but when your answer contains material that you know is contentious and will divert the topic of the thread, you cannot really complain when this happens.

So read my comments and move on. Nobody is asking you to comment. People have said that social media, hospital waits, poor drivers and lots of other things make them angry. You are trying to turn it into an argument.

I definitely don’t want to divert the thread topic. You are doing that yourself.

I am angry with the parlous state of this country and its management, I'm angry with the lack of good service, I'm angry at the loss of good manners in society but overall I'm just bloody fed up with it and finding hard to find in anything. The weather doesn't help.

Primrose Of course you are entitled to ask the question, I never queried that, but when your answer contains material that you know is contentious and will divert the topic of the thread, you cannot really complain when this happens.

Casdon is right. A lot of people haven't gone back to normal, and many probably won't ever.

Many people are angry and fearful because they feel they dont have a voice and no one is listening to them. They are working full time just to pay the bills. They can see no future for their children. Yet multi national corporations and the CEOs and investers are getting richer. There is no way they can take out their anger on the very rich and big corporations. The boat people - and by extention anyone not born in this country - are a convenient source of hatred and contempt.

When a huge section of the populace are made to feel that they have no voice things can happen. Let us not forget that a certain German dictator was voted into power.

M0nica

Primrose you mentioned the topic that led to the diversion.

I am another who is not normally angry and certainly not in a way that affects other people. I just get spurts of anger, when I read of the actions of other people, in government in this country and elsewhere and their indifference to the suffering their actions cause to other people.

I answered the question. Everyone is perfectly entitled to answer the question in any way they choose.

It wasn't a case of, should we go or should we not, it was, we can't go and that's it. Decision made for you. Then it opened up..

I agree. It’s been a long time now.

I think some are socialising or trying but struggling with it.
So many people say when we were in lockdown we had peace in a way, yes we were bored, fed up and worried about our health of course but... we didn't have to go anywhere or make any decisions, it had a certain freedom about it

MerylStreep

coco12

What about people feeling scared? Still recovering from lockdown opening up? I think this is a big one. For some, learning how to socialise again, anxiety etc..

learning how to socialise again
Life went back to normal in January 2022, that’s 17 months ago.
I think if people aren’t socialised now, they never will be.

Life didn’t go back to normal for many people. Some people have lost their confidence to go out of their homes. Age UK are still offering walking buddies and home support visits, but if the fear of contracting Covid is still strong some are unable to break that fear and join the world again. It’s very sad for them, but I would still hope for their sake that at some point they will.

coco12

What about people feeling scared? Still recovering from lockdown opening up? I think this is a big one. For some, learning how to socialise again, anxiety etc..

learning how to socialise again
Life went back to normal in January 2022, that’s 17 months ago.
I think if people aren’t socialised now, they never will be.

People around here aren't angry - and certainly don't blame immigrants for anything - they're just very disappointed in the government, that's all.

(I'm sure the government are delighted that some people blame immigrants.)

Lovetopaint037
This post says it for me too.

What about people feeling scared? Still recovering from lockdown opening up? I think this is a big one. For some, learning how to socialise again, anxiety etc..

I'm not sure that anyone I know is particularly angry, but maybe more frustrated with things outside their control than usual.

I'm annoyed the summer, in terms of the weather, has been rubbish this year. Though others might be happy with that.

Primrose you mentioned the topic that led to the diversion.

I am another who is not normally angry and certainly not in a way that affects other people. I just get spurts of anger, when I read of the actions of other people, in government in this country and elsewhere and their indifference to the suffering their actions cause to other people.

Can we get back on topic please. “Why are we angry?”

Could we have links to the government statistics that show that
The crime rate has massively increased and the immigrants form a high percentage of it, this is a fact.

growstuff

fancythat

growstuff

So "boat migrants" don't even constitute the majority of immigrants.

Again, I didnt say they did.

And I didn't say that you did, but to blame a relatively small group of country for the country's ills (as some have done) is ludicrous.

It is, thank you.

Skydancer

*This country is in a mess and it is predominantly due to migration and the government's lack of action. The crime rate has massively increased and the immigrants form a high percentage of it, this is a fact.*
Spot, on Elless.
This IS a fact and everyone knows it.

I don't know it.

maddyone

Actually there was 660,000 net immigration last year. Over one million people actually immigrated, but also some emigrated, leaving the net figure. The boat migrants aren’t counted in that figure because they haven’t been processed. The 660,000 were legal immigrants. It’s been announced today that 45,000 people have entered the country via boats since Rishi Sunak entered office as PM.
Of those who entered legally with visas, many work in health care and hospitals. Many are Ukrainians, some of whom are able to work because they speak English, others don’t speak English and so it’s more difficult for them, but some may work, I don’t know. Many others are students who often bring their families with them.
All require housing, medical care, dentists, and schools if they have children.
Some will add to the general congestion because they will buy cars.
All will require energy to heat homes and fuel for any cars they drive.
Some will require help from the benefit system whilst others will pay taxes and insurance contributions.
All will ‘consume’ and therefore contribute to growth in the economy.

And the majority of them contribute towards economic growth, including paying the direct immigration surcharge, so why doesn't the government use that money to improve infrastructure, including housing, healthcare and education? They're paying for it after all.

fancythat

growstuff

So "boat migrants" don't even constitute the majority of immigrants.

Again, I didnt say they did.

And I didn't say that you did, but to blame a relatively small group of country for the country's ills (as some have done) is ludicrous.

The 45,755 refers to those landing from boats.

On page one of this thread I gave the following figures and their sources

The latest estimates on migration from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) suggest that in 2022: 1.2 million people migrated into the UK and 557,000 people emigrated from it, leaving a net migration figure of 606,000 as of the end of June 2022. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/ According to the latest data from the Home Office, 45,755 people reached the UK in 2022 www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=How+many+immigrants+came+to+yk+by+boat

I think we can take these figures as theofficial stats and the ones that should form the basis of our discussions here.

You are looking at a lot of different figures to me, but whatever.

I also disagree with your summation about growth.

I am conscious that this thread is about being angry in general, so I will leave this specific subject now.