Finally big pharma has admitted the Covid vaccine is potentially dangerous.

Drug companies have made trillions from Covid and look at the MP's under investigation for making millions on the back of.

Most things are potentially dangerous, so it's a matter of weighing up the pros and cons.

I was always wary, but had it anyway.

Saying that, I've just been watching a guy on YouTube who had one (or both?) legs amputated as a result of the vaccine.

You only have to wander around an old churchyard with 19thC graves to see what life was like before vaccines - graves with 2, 3, or even more young children from the same family who’d died within a few weeks of each other during an epidemic.

Might add, according to recent news, 5 young babies have lately died of whooping cough, which could have been prevented by their mothers being vaccinated during pregnancy. One was only 15 days old.
I gather that babies aren’t routinely vaccinated until 6 months, so the mother’s passed-on immunity from the vaccine is needed.

Long covid = vaccine damage!

When I voiced my fear of the vaccine I was band from GN.

My son who had a severe bad reaction from the Swine flu jab taking 10yrs to recover, losing his high profile job as a mathematical scientise, said in 2 yrs. time people will be dropping like flies and here we are! Healthy fit young people, with no previous health issues, dying of heart attach's, blood clots, cancer or just not waking up in the morning, as happened to my son's young friend.

Then you get those saying I've never felt so ill, yet I had the covid jab 2 days/week ago, so I would have been far worse if I hadn't had the jab Now people are finally joining up the dotes!

But many infections kill you, and while, if you survive, you are them immune, why take the risk. COVID, flu, whooping cough, cholera, all illnesses where an attack can give you immunity, but may kill you first.

DH was taken ill after having been given AstraZeneca which turned out to be blood clots. At first they said it could have been caused by the vaccine and then changed their records to was in all probability. He will always have to take bloods thinners. That said, we did continue with our Covid jabs and we have never had Covid (I hope that is not famous last words). DH suffers with asthma so we will be in front of the queue when we get a recall for a jab as it is better to continue taking blood thinners than catching Covid unprotected.

LinkyPinky

The thing is though, Grans, Covid is forever. It lingers in the body, potentially causing a terrifying array of long-term conditions. The vaccine has sadly adversely affected some poor people, but covid itself, in addition to its terrible death-toll is already having enormous public health consequences; not just 'long covid', which is an awful and not uncommon condition, but diabetes, heart disease, stroke, a range of autoimmune conditions, the list is endless. The risks increase every time you get covid. If you want to 'do your own research', I recommend the website 'PubMed, which is a resource for heath-care professionals, but open access and free to use. It is hard science, but educated lay-people can gain knowledge by reading just the introductions and conclusions. Do not believe random know-alls on social media. go straight to the sources and make up your own minds. I am a health service researcher and I DO know what I'm talking about.

Well said. Thank you, LinkyPimky.

I was beginning to think I was dreaming about the research I've seen on the effects, long and short term, of a covid19 infection.

It should be clarified, too, that widespread vaccination does NOT confer herd immunity. That only occurs if the vaccine prevents the vaccinated person from being infected. Covid vaccination doesn't prevent infection, it just makes it (in most cases) less serious.

Likewise, having had covid doesn't confer immunity, I've seen so many people testify to having caught covid more than once.

Quite honestly, the complete b*llocks that was being spouted about the vaccine and 'herd immunity' at the height of the pandemic made me very angry and depressed.. As did the failure to understand about its transmission by aerosols and the massive contribution to controlling its spread which could have been made by decent air filtering and wearing appropriate masks.

Letting such a very damaging illness become endemic in the population through failure to ensure proper safeguards against it was criminally irresponsible. As is the current 'let's pretend it's all over' stance.

drbledu23, you don't quite understand, it seems, the difference between a bacterial disease and a viral disease.

Measles is caused by a virus. A vaccine is available, and works. There will be some people who, unfortunately, have side-effects from the vaccine, but the number of children who would die if measles was allowed to run free would be much higher. Decisions on public health matters have got to be made on the basis of population numbers of affected people, and so the number of people affected by side-effects of a vaccine have to be set against the much larger number who will be saved from the serious side-effects of measles, and the vaccine is used.

TB is caused by a bacterium. There is a vaccine (BCG) which works. At the moment it seems to be not cost-effective to give the BCG to teenagers, but if TB started to spread more widely again, which it could, no doubt things would change.

The reason that we have to have repeated vaccinations for flu and covid is that viruses mutate very quickly and in doing so change their structure so that last year's vaccine no longer attacks them so efficiently. In this country the flu season in Australia is studied to get an indication of what the virus is doing and allow vaccines to produced which will, we hope, fit the virus which will head here in the winter. While you can get lifelong immunity from a vaccine for some diseases (like smallpox - the measles vaccine hasn't been around for that long yet) you can't for ones like flu or covid, however good your immune system is. The virus is always ahead of us!

The thing is though, Grans, Covid is forever. It lingers in the body, potentially causing a terrifying array of long-term conditions. The vaccine has sadly adversely affected some poor people, but covid itself, in addition to its terrible death-toll is already having enormous public health consequences; not just 'long covid', which is an awful and not uncommon condition, but diabetes, heart disease, stroke, a range of autoimmune conditions, the list is endless. The risks increase every time you get covid. If you want to 'do your own research', I recommend the website 'PubMed, which is a resource for heath-care professionals, but open access and free to use. It is hard science, but educated lay-people can gain knowledge by reading just the introductions and conclusions. Do not believe random know-alls on social media. go straight to the sources and make up your own minds. I am a health service researcher and I DO know what I'm talking about.

The real truth is I believe the vaccine saved many lives

While I am in broad agreement with you DrWatson, I do not think you you are showing much sympathy or understanding for someone who has seen someone in their own family, or close to them struck down by one of these very rare, but very serious side effects.

Of course it is going to affect how they look at the safety of these drugs and, perhaps, be oversensitive to any negative health problem others have after the jab, whether it is coincidentce or cause and effect.

On BigPharma, I do agree. BigPharma is a click bait word, which no one seems to think through. The Pharmaceutical industry invests immense amounts in reearch, In 2023, for Astraenica it was £8.2 billion and for Glaxo Smith Kline, it was £6.2 billion. They can spend £100 million on research on one drug only have it prove ineffective or dangerous close to the end of the research process.

What SmallPharma can afford reearch budgets like that? Most small pharma is eithe producing medications out of patent protection or are, often, spin offs from universities with seed reearch funding to look at a specific drug or process, and once it is proved it is a goer, it is usually sold to one of the big companie that can afford the R&D money to take it up and either do all the reseach and proving necessary to bring it to market or spend the money, find it has problems and write the investment off.

The abject panic of Covid was not a good place for decisions to be made, most of it such as washing parcels was absolute nonsense. It would be good if we can get to a place where we can discuss it without people screaming educate yourself ( what they mean is think like me). We wont be able to learn anything until that is the case.

Thank goodness for the vast majority of sensible comments on here, who have referenced the utter panic this and other countries experienced as Covid swept across the planet, a modern-day Black Death. They've also mentioned the BILLIONS of vaccine doses that were issued (many countries, not just here) which when put into context with the tiny number of bad reactions (some folk have a bit of a reaction to any jab) -- should actually tell people with some sense of judgement that without those jabs, we'd have been up that proverbial creek, and stuck in a paddle-free Lockdown that would have lasted even longer!

The leading headline is misleading "Big Pharma" -- well, but for 'Big Pharma' we'd have been much worse off, who else could make Billions of doses in a hurry! Did anyone check how the Russian and Chinese vaccines panned out? Oh, no, they won't tell you . . .

Hopefully readers will see the comment from 'Sazz1' for what it is, a regrettable reaction in one body, but pointless to take that as gospel for the vast majority. I was reminded of the stories you see from some smokers, proudly referring to their grand-dad, now 97, a heavy smoker -- so why should I stop? Well, just before you light up again, go ask old Andy Capp what happened to all his smoker pals (they died in their 50s and 60s, so can't speak themselves for his good fortune!).

Some people seem to have forgotten the abject panic we were all in when Covid came calling, disinfecting parcels that came, washing hands a record number of times a day, and every news bulletin bringing grim news of our fatalities, plus those elsewhere.

If ANYONE (Sazz?) needs more convincing re vaccines, step back to the campaigns aimed at ethnic minorities (here and in the States, for just 2 locations), as they were reluctant to have jabs, for reasons of tradition, perhaps religious dogma, or maybe general ignorance? And their Covid death rates were what, 3, 4, 5 or more times higher than the rest of us?!!

drbledu23
Natural immunity doesn’t always follow infection. If it did, no one would get flu or shingles or Covid more than once. I can attest that I’ve had all three of those more than once, so what happened to my natural immunity?

undines - wasn't Dr Cole the one who was prescribing ivermectin?

Surely drbledu23 bacterial infections are different from viral infections.

Antibiotics are used to treat bacterial infections and virus infections don't respond to those

What exactly is a bacterial virus???

Does it exist? Or do you mean a bacterial infection?

Isn’t flu a respiratory virus?

Since when has a 'vaccine' for a respiratory virus ever been viable. Porton Down spent 70 years trying to develop measures to act against the common cold and gave up in the end.

With a bacteriological virus - e.g. measles, TB, vaccines are effective in the respect that they protect the individual against the worst effects of the virus and eradicate it - hence it stops the transmission.

Covid therapeutics, developed at breakneck speed, did nothing of the sort. They didn't eradicate the problem - hence the continued urging to take up boosters - in very much the same way as influenza jabs are urged on people every year. I think the speed at which they were churned out without prolonged testing and trials was downright dangerous.

And in case anyone is wondering, I have seen plenty of the adverse effects some of these jabs have had on all manner of people. AZ was limited in that it was for the most part only offered to a specific age sector of the populace and discontinued. Meanwhile the genetic MRNA variety are doing untold damage that no-one wishes to think about let alone admit to.

I had the virus early in 2020 before anyone really knew what it was. Common sense told me (and many like me) that natural immunity following infection did not necessitate taking the jibba jabba when t was rolled out a year later.

Didn't anybody watch the documentary about life in Bergamo at the start of the pandemic, when the lorries were transporting the bodies of those who had died and the hospital doctor who had tested positive was isolated in her bedroom while her family left food outside the door for her? I know Bergamo and it's a lovely, historic little town, but this is what some of our little towns would have been like without lockdown and vaccines. My daughter's friend worked on a Covid ward all through the pandemic. 72 hour weeks with people dying in A&E before they could even move them to the ward. The staff were all given counselling because of the numbers of deaths they were dealing with. 80 people dying from the effect of the vaccine is tragic, but the numbers who would have died without it would have been horrific.

Reading through so many replies it seems clear that not many Gransnetters have looked beyond the mainstream media. Try checking out Dr Ryan Cole, a pathologist, on Youtube 'Covid Through a Pathologist's Eye'. Have a look also at Matthias Desmet on Societal Control. That's just a couple. There's no point arguing when there are those so much more eloquent and better-qualified than me. I will just say, however, that the term 'conspiracy theorist' was coined by the CIA as a label to ridicule and so discount those who wondered why the bullet that killed JFK came from the wrong direction. Not everyone who calls in question the accepted narrative is a nutcase and to dismiss them/us in that way is, in my opinion, lazy thinking (sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but...) Also, to shrug off all idea of 'conspiracy' as laughable does not mean there are no conspiracies! I'm sticking my neck out because more people need to wake up. Scoff if you wish, I am not on a mission to convince anyone because I don't think it works that way. But if even a few people go on to ask more questions it can only be a good - if unsettling - thing. And would the Gransnetter who contacted me privately please do so again - I inadvertently deleted your message!

Well I ve just had my spring one and was thankful to be offered it

I watched a prog on GB News featuring families who had lost loved ones due to the Covid vaccine and also people who are still very poorly from having it.

There were a real cross section of people who died but they were all healthy younger people including an NHS Doctor, a musician and a newsreader.

At the time GB News was the only channel highlighting these families and their fight for compensation. No other channel was brave enough but now these families are not going away and other channels are daring to speak out.

I really thought all those frankly bonkers extreme conspiracy theorists had disappeared right down that rabbit hole, never to return. Clearly they are just hibernating.

What a pity that so many posters seem to be conspiracy theorists.

We had the AZ vaccine when offered it in early 2021 and were very grateful. We have had every vaccine offered since too, and equally gratefully.

The AZ vaccines saved many lives in countries too poor to buy the other vaccines, and we should be proud of the British input to it. As has been said, it is now withdrawn because the virus has changed, and so the vaccines have moved on.

Obviously it is very sad that anyone has died while so many others were saved from death, but that does not mean that they were killed on purpose, by governments, aliens or anything else.