Finally big pharma has admitted the Covid vaccine is potentially dangerous.

80 people? There should be a register saying vaccinated or not for those dying during and after the pandemic, instead of automatically putting Covid on all death certificate and not, in some cases, vaccine death.

There was a mm going round of a man squashed under a large industrial concrete roller, it said Died of Covid

I really wonder too about those who died being put on the artificial respirator, either at the time or months/years later, being put down as Covid when actually it was the incredibly invasive machine!

Wheniwasyourage

M0nica

But many infections kill you, and while, if you survive, you are them immune, why take the risk. COVID, flu, whooping cough, cholera, all illnesses where an attack can give you immunity, but may kill you first.

Covid and flu will not give you immunity after an attack, M0nica!! The virus keeps mutating!!!

This 👆

What is so difficult to understand about a bout of covid not giving you immunity?

What about the many who died of covid before December 2020, Yoginimeisje when the vaccine was first available? Did it kill them by time travel perhaps?

wheniwasyour age You will have immunity from the variation of COVID/flu that you had.

Yoginimeisje Are you saying that people with COVID who had to be put on a ventilator to enable them to breathe because otherwise they would have choked to death, would have lived if they weren't on the ventilator. - and of course many did live because they were on the ventilator and not left to choke to death without one.

I do not quite get the point about people dying years later and the cause being given as COVID, when it should be the ventilator. Are people dying years after they had COVID having thir cause of death put down as COVID? If it is happening can you give a link to that information Are these people still on ventilators or have they come off the ventilator years before as well. Again, what is the source of your information?

If I die in a car accident immediately after my vaccine, the driver being someone unvaccinated. is it a COVID related death causedby the vaccination.

MissAdventure

I don't know, any more than the next person does.
(Plus I lost interest and didn't finish the video)

The vaccine caused blood clots, the blood clots were not recognised immediately and the guy had 1 or 2 legs chopped off.

Covid causes blood clots too.

BlueBelle

How can they be sure it’s the result of the vaccine MissA look at all the children who ‘got’ autism after their MMR but its now well known it was not down to their jabs or do you think they are just telling us that to keep us quiet

Our son was definitely affected by the MMR vaccine and we have video evidence to prove it. He was born in 1991 and it was acknowledged later that there were some bad batches around in the early nineties. We don't think that the MMR caused his autism but we think it was exacerbated by the vaccine in that it might have remained dormant had he not had it. Many other parents felt the same way. Research also showed that certain children, particularly those who had allergies, should have the vaccines separately. Our second son was given the first dose but not the booster, as this was when the research was coming through. We paid for our daughter to be vaccinated with single injections against measles and rubella. I am not anti- vaccine, but I think if the government had allowed a choice between single vaccines spaced out and the all-in-one, it would have allayed a lot of fears. Many people, including here, are saying that nothing is foolproof and there will be people affected along the way, but never mind because overall the benefits outweigh the risks. This may well be true, but if it is a member of your family who is affected, your point of view may understandably be somewhat different.

M0nica, you’re right to say that you “will have immunity from the variation of COVID/flu that you had”. Unfortunately the viruses mutate so fast that you are very unlikely to come across the same one again, which is why you will need either another vaccine or another attack. I know which I prefer.

Poor man!

My DD reminded me that she did have a covid jab, to keep the peace with her H who had to have it due to his work. She said she would never have another, as from that month her periods never stopped & were painfully heavy to the point she didn't want to go out! Many women had the same adverse reaction.

Well said Musicgirl so sorry about your son xx

Monica it was documented that some patient did die from being ventilated with the first machine, they stopped using it for this reason and then someone invented a less intrusive devise and no one died from that one.

The awful documentary of Kate Galloway's Husband dying years after he was ventilated with the first machine, them saying this is what Covid did to him but I always thought; was it Covid or was it the ventilator [?]

7 million people are estimated to have died worldwide of the Coronavirus,
ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-deaths-region
Despite having had 6 or 7 vaccinations each (with no side effects), DH and I recently caught Covid in France. It is a horrible virus, most unlike flu, it isn't just respiratory but can cause widespread problems in the body, including heart disease. Thankfully we seem to have recovered but I was grateful for the vaccinations I've had and will certainly be queuing up for more.
People are still dying of Covid, the brother of someone I know died of it only recently. Just think of the number of deaths without vaccinations.
This is a reputable publication and an interesting article for anyone who wants to know more, theconversation.com/astrazenecas-covid-vaccine-withdrawn-right-to-the-end-it-was-the-victim-of-misinformation-229653?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=The%20Weekend%20Conversation%20-%202966130163&utm_content=The%20Weekend%20Conversation%20-%202966130163+CID_68e154275f22a9a5f8e569b0812c854d&utm_source=campaign_monitor_uk&utm_term=AstraZenecas%20COVID%20vaccine%20withdrawn%20%20right%20to%20the%20end%20it%20was%20the%20victim%20of%20misinformation

Yoginimeisje

Monica it was documented that some patient did die from being ventilated with the first machine, they stopped using it for this reason and then someone invented a less intrusive devise and no one died from that one.

The awful documentary of Kate Galloway's Husband dying years after he was ventilated with the first machine, them saying this is what Covid did to him but I always thought; was it Covid or was it the ventilator [?]

If he had gone to hospital sooner I can’t help but think he wouldn’t have been as ill with covid as he was. And it was a while before people realised it was the second week of infection that was the dangerous time. I know he’s now gone full on flat earth society’ish but John Campbells advice early on in the pandemic ‘ take VitaminD and get a thermometer and ( most importantly) an oximeter’ probably saved a lot of lives. I would assume that, because it was a novel virus, the vaccination means that our bodies no longer over react to it, even though it mutates and the vaccines can’t prevent infection?

I will NEVER have that vaccine again. It knocked me out, and sent my legs dead and numb. We were experimented on and I know a young man of 18 who had a spinal stroke with the Covid vaccine

People have died because they took medicines designed to help them. There will always be an unfortunate but extremely tiny minority who react to any medicines or vaccines.
The lives saved are the important statistics.

Exactly, maddyone! The big public health measures which have saved millions of lives have always had some side-effects for a small number of people. It can be tragic for them, but life-saving for many more.

An example is adding chlorine to drinking water. Some people find it unpleasant to drink, but with it, we don't die from cholera and millions of lives have been saved because of that. Immunisations are similar, in that, to put it at its most basic, they kill far fewer people than the diseases against which they are aimed.

songstress What was the evidence that the spinal stroke was caused by the COVID vaccination - apart from them happening at much the same time.

I have looked this medical problem up and everything I have read suggests that spinal strokes occur following damage or thickening of the arteries for some time before the stroke occurs and that for young people the cause is usually genetic, so unless the body knew when it was going to have the COVID jab many years in advance, it is unlikely to be the main cause, if any of the stroke.

This is crazy. There are no conclusive reports or studies that show MRNa vaccines are harmful.

This very well could be another false AI generated piece to scare everyone out of their wits. I would ignore that news and continue to get Covid boosters just like the flu shots.

It very well could be that you and loved ones are alive today because the vaccines work!

Gundy we are unlikely to get any response. people like songstress, rarely if ever produce the facts to back the statement.

I do understand how traumatic it is for the family and friends of someone struck down with a rare illness like this, especiaally just after they have had any vaccination, let alone the COVID vaccination.

But every day people have strokes, of all kinds, rare and common, heart attacks, diagnoses of cancer, whooping cough and the common cold. some of these will have had a COVID jab, not long begore all these events. The law of probability shows that most of these events will be random with no connection between them.

I may have said this before but with my first covid jab they rushed us all through, you had the jab standing up and were almost pushed out of the door. No questions were asked and no info given.

My second jab was at another centre and we queued outside in pouring rain. Then they allowed 6 people into a large room with 6 desks and chairs and 6 nurses. You sat down, the nurse checked all your details then said “are you sure you want this vaccination as it can cause blood clots”. First I had heard of that! I said words to that effect and asked why I had not been told that with my first jab. She said it was because she does her job thoroughly!

I know a lot of younger people refused to have it for various reasons, my son included. He could not believe that we came home with no info about side effects whatsoever yet even with a packet of paracetamol you get a two sided leaflet.

The truth is that billions of vaccinations worldwide saved countless lives from COVID. Of course, a comparatively small number of people died from side effects but that happens with most vaccines. Anti-vaxxers are spreading disinformation. I have had all the vaccinations for COVID and wouldn't hesitate to have more.

Primrose, we were given written information about side-effects as a matter of course- and although many people did as you did for your first vaccination and just basically walked through, some of us didnot.

I had spoken to my GP beforehand, read the existing papers on Google scholar and then, at the vaccination centre, asked to speak again to the doctor on site about a folliw-up question I had. I believe I made my decision with facts available.

I'm sorry you did not.

I can't identify with anything Prmrose says about her experience especially of the first jabs. We had to sit for 15 minutes before we were each allowed to leave. There was more than enough information about side effects etc and if I rember correctly the prevailing concern at the time was when we would be eligible -not that we were being pressured into.it.
I am genuinely very very sorry for those for whom the vaccine was contra indicated or ultimately fatal but without it I think we would have had not just a global pandemic but a global disaster of "Black Death" type proportions.
Recollections may vary , but desperate times needed desperate measures.

I wasnt given anything more than a leaflet explaining that I could take paracetamol if I felt rotten after the jab.

Certainly no long term problems mentioned.

I remember saying on here that it felt rushed (to much eye rolling)

It was Luca who took time to answer as best she could, and as patiently as she could, who answered a lot of questions for me.

Maybe our experiences depended on where in the country we live?

Yes, I was thinking that.
I was also a key worker at the time, so there was a rush to ensure i was "done".

I had trouble booking the jab, and waited outside the hospital 10 miles away in a long, long queue.