Dangerous Dogs Attack

MayBee70

David49

“So, if you get attacked by a dog you ask the owner for their dog licence? Even though all of that information is on the chip. And every dog owner has to be inspected by someone from the LA? How exactly will a dog licence stop people being attacked?”

Every owner has to be checked they have a suitable dog, facilities to keep it and the training to care for it. It will stop irresponsible owners buying a dog and improve dog welfare greatly.
The number of dogs abandoned is a disgrace, licensing is justified on those grounds alone, educating responsible owners would be a big step forward.

Do you honestly think that local authorities have the money or the manpower to implement that?

The owners pay for the licensing and policing, it would be a very small part of owning a dog.

All reputable breeders will home check potential owners and also question them about suitability for that breed of dog. They will take back the dog at any time of it’s life if the owners have a problem ( a good breeder will always have people that have had their dogs in the past that may want an older dog if they’ve sadly lost one). New laws were put in place to stop unscrupulous breeding; I think breeders have to be registered in some way but am happy to be corrected. Reputable rescue organisations also do home checks and are careful to match the right dog to the right owner. Any dog attack should have a police crime number. And the Safe Neighbourhood Officer at the council should be informed ( ours was very helpful when our dog was attacked). Every dog has to be chipped with owners details and all dogs must wear a collar with a name disc with the owners details when away from home. I don’t honestly know what more the authorities can do although I would like there to be some sort of National advertising campaign to educate people.

David49

“So, if you get attacked by a dog you ask the owner for their dog licence? Even though all of that information is on the chip. And every dog owner has to be inspected by someone from the LA? How exactly will a dog licence stop people being attacked?”

Every owner has to be checked they have a suitable dog, facilities to keep it and the training to care for it. It will stop irresponsible owners buying a dog and improve dog welfare greatly.
The number of dogs abandoned is a disgrace, licensing is justified on those grounds alone, educating responsible owners would be a big step forward.

OnwardandUpwards, xl bullies have to be neutured and wear muzzles in public, the aim is to end the breed. One difficulty is it’s a mixed breed so there isn’t a breed standard. I saw a man walking two off lead big shepherd type dogs along with an on lead unmuzzled dog I’d have bet the farm was an XLBullies

I’ve always lived with dogs, from being a baby. As an adult I’ve rescued, fostered and often had 3 of my own. My current dogs are a little gentle show type cocker spaniel, rock solid temperament. My huge young lab isn’t rock solid with other dogs. He’s great with people, loves children and reliable happy dog with my grandchildren
Sadly he’s been attacked three times, Jack Russell x 2, 2 labs whose owner wasn’t in sight and a daft off lead Frenchie, again no owner in sight
My huge lad now reacts if he sees an unknown dog racing towards him.
There are too many irresponsible, frankly clueless people who have no control, no recall and think their dog needs to greet every dog it meets, rather than stay with their handler
So, my lab is now excercise in a safe enclosed field. We play games, do obedience, retrieves and best of all scent work. 15 minute scent work tires them more than an hour running about.
He mixes with dogs he knows with no problem, I miss long walks in the country with him but I’m not prepared to risk him getting himself into trouble if we meet one of the ‘professional’ dog walkers with an unstable pack if 8 off lead.
Apologies for ranting

I wasn’t implying they were dangerous dogs, tho they could be if you trip over one.😁

Oh yes, I’ve seen them come out from under the table and walk as far as the lead allows and once almost fell over a stretched lead.
I like dogs but not where people are eating and drinking.

Yours might be doing nothing but lying under a table Onwards but that not been my experience I ve experienced them sitting on chairs at the table, eating off plates on the floor and slurping tea out of the saucer
If you have to bring your dog with you to a cafe for a coffee
eat outside

David49

“So, if you get attacked by a dog you ask the owner for their dog licence? Even though all of that information is on the chip. And every dog owner has to be inspected by someone from the LA? How exactly will a dog licence stop people being attacked?”

Every owner has to be checked they have a suitable dog, facilities to keep it and the training to care for it. It will stop irresponsible owners buying a dog and improve dog welfare greatly.
The number of dogs abandoned is a disgrace, licensing is justified on those grounds alone, educating responsible owners would be a big step forward.

Do you honestly think that local authorities have the money or the manpower to implement that?

“So, if you get attacked by a dog you ask the owner for their dog licence? Even though all of that information is on the chip. And every dog owner has to be inspected by someone from the LA? How exactly will a dog licence stop people being attacked?”

Every owner has to be checked they have a suitable dog, facilities to keep it and the training to care for it. It will stop irresponsible owners buying a dog and improve dog welfare greatly.
The number of dogs abandoned is a disgrace, licensing is justified on those grounds alone, educating responsible owners would be a big step forward.

I haven't seen any "dangerous dogs" lying under the table in a cafe. It's usually shitzhu, poodles, or terriers, sometimes labradors. I don't see how any one can trip over them if they're under a table and also who says they didn't get anything. Maybe they were fed before they went? They aren't causing anyone any trouble if they're quietly lying under a table.

Why shouldn't the people go for a walk with their dog, meet a friend and then enjoy a walk back with their dog? The dog doesn't mind, it's probably just chilling out. It's not nice to over feed pets and dogs don't need to eat just because someone else is eating! They have their meal times.

I was talking about Dangerous Dogs, not nice ones that behave in cafe's.

There are many people who can't take their dog out to
pub or cafe because it doesn't behave well enough.

David49

MayBee70

David49

Personally I would have dogs licences and the owners pass a training course, the cost would be small compared with the ridiculous prices paid for dogs, not to mention vet costs.

I fully realize that’s not going to happen so we will just see more maimed by dogs.

There is no need for licences now that dogs have to be chipped. It’s also illegal not having the owners details on the dogs collar.

I’m sure those that are attacked will be reassured by the dogs chip and the name on the collar.

I have a firearms licence it costs £88 for 5 yrs and you do get inspected and storage checked, there is no reason that can’t be done for dogs and administered by LA.

Nobody cares.

So, if you get attacked by a dog you ask the owner for their dog licence? Even though all of that information is on the chip. And every dog owner has to be inspected by someone from the LA? How exactly will a dog licence stop people being attacked?

Sorry forgot to add the XL bit

They have banned many breeds. The latest controls for American Bullies is the hardest for a long time. Many innocent dogs have been destroyed because of it.

Whilst I agree that there needs to be control and consequences, there also needs to be legislation regarding the owners who do not a) train their dogs properly or use professional trainers
b) research the type of dog they can handle
c) are held responsible for what their dog does
Also sometimes the circumstances of the attack are not always the dogs fault.
To ensure no dog ever defended itself, it's puppies or its owner, you would have to ban all dogs.

MayBee70

David49

Personally I would have dogs licences and the owners pass a training course, the cost would be small compared with the ridiculous prices paid for dogs, not to mention vet costs.

I fully realize that’s not going to happen so we will just see more maimed by dogs.

There is no need for licences now that dogs have to be chipped. It’s also illegal not having the owners details on the dogs collar.

I’m sure those that are attacked will be reassured by the dogs chip and the name on the collar.

I have a firearms licence it costs £88 for 5 yrs and you do get inspected and storage checked, there is no reason that can’t be done for dogs and administered by LA.

Nobody cares.

There are lots of things you can do to exercise a dog which doesn't necessitate it running round a dog park with other dogs. Sniffing tires a dog out as much as running. It's good to socialise a puppy when it's young but I don't understand why people think their dogs need other dogs to play with. My dogs have always been friendly with other dogs but are quite happy bumbling around on their own. DH was attacked the other week by a large dog. It walked past us on a lead then turned back and went for his leg. Thankfully it didn't make contact but it shook us up. I used to enjoy walking my dogs years ago but now I'm on constant alert; not sure when it all changed?

BlueBelle

Well these fields are just a money making ploy you shouldn’t have to pay to take your dog for a walk or a run !!
There are so many bully type dogs without muzzles out being walked and they are so big if they decided to bolt the owner would be on the floor and as someone said upthread you can’t really tell if they are an XL so I would advocate all dogs over a certain size and weight should be muzzled in public.
There are too many dogs around, never left at home, but indulgently taken everywhere shopping, eating, won’t be long before they are given a seat in the theatre or cinema.

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It’s as if the owners think it a treat for a dog to be taken into a cafe, smell lots of food and then have to lie under a table while being given nothing until the owners decide to leave.
The poor animal would be better having a nap in its own home and there wouldn’t be so many dogs about for us to trip over.
I thought it was against hygiene rules to have dogs in cafes pubs and all eateries, but it can’t be.

It's awful.

We have on (cat sized) dog that has never bitten anyone or anything. They get walked morning and night and like to run around the garden. There are places we go where we will let the dog off the lead but we can't do it everywhere because of other dogs and trying to keep our dog safe.

Since having a dog I have had good and bad. Good for the many lovely walks we've had and bad because my dog has been attacked and it's been so upsetting. I might not get another dog after this one just because a little dog seems to be a target of bigger dogs and I worry about getting hurt just trying to defend mine.

Nannapat1

Any dog can be dangerous given the wrong owner. Whilst there might be some good in banning certain breeds, it's the owners and their failure to manage their dogs, or sometimes training and encouraging them to be aggressive, that need dealing with.

Absolutely ANY dog can bite or be agressive. I’d agree to muzzling large dogs in public, in our home we have three mini sausages and one small cocker spaniel. These are all walked (not together) very early morning or later in the evening, and let off if other dogs are not around.

pably15

it's ok making laws about keeping them muzzled when out, but people have been attacked and mauled to death in their homes

As have their young children.

OldFrill

XL bullies have to be neutered so (if all owners comply) will die out rather than the 10000-15000 of them being forcibly euthanased.
There are many other rules, muzzled, walked on lead by adult, registered with Defra and insured etc. All listed below

www.gov.uk/guidance/ban-on-xl-bully-dogs

All true but that means another ten years of them being around.They get out of open doors and rush to attack a passerby.They still badly injure or kill their besotted owners.
Anyone can be bitten by any kind of dog, but these dogs are killers.Euthanise the lot of them.

Yes that's true and then how can they benefit from an insurance policy if they're dead? A payout is no comfort to the faily of someone who's dead or injured. It's stupid and ridiculous how the fact that someone has third party insurance on their dog is supposed to make us feel better.

Hopefully labour gov can look at it again and make a better job. Mind you, they've got a lot to deal with at the moment....

David49

Personally I would have dogs licences and the owners pass a training course, the cost would be small compared with the ridiculous prices paid for dogs, not to mention vet costs.

I fully realize that’s not going to happen so we will just see more maimed by dogs.

There is no need for licences now that dogs have to be chipped. It’s also illegal not having the owners details on the dogs collar.

Personally I would have dogs licences and the owners pass a training course, the cost would be small compared with the ridiculous prices paid for dogs, not to mention vet costs.

I fully realize that’s not going to happen so we will just see more maimed by dogs.

Any dog can be dangerous given the wrong owner. Whilst there might be some good in banning certain breeds, it's the owners and their failure to manage their dogs, or sometimes training and encouraging them to be aggressive, that need dealing with.

it's ok making laws about keeping them muzzled when out, but people have been attacked and mauled to death in their homes

I have a 16 year old rescue, he is part Anatolian shepherd/ part Lab, so he is large. Toby cannot walk very far, he is kept on his lead for all walks.
Although l live on a small estate, we have 2 small parks and 2 enclosed dog fields. One is much smaller than the other. No charge for either. I think we are very lucky.
However, there are the few idiots who especially in the summer who refuse to have their dogs on a lead.
Or use the phrase, "it's ok my dog is friendly, when clearly it isn't.
The other morning l saw a young lady trying to control two bullies, although on leads , they were not muzzled.
Luckily we were far enough away and Toby really doesn't respond or is in anyway reactive to other dogs.
As others have said, it really isn't the dogs it's the owners. I really don't think the law will be enforceable.