Trainee GP concerns?

M0nica

Nobody has yet mentioned Nurse Practioners, or have they been subsumed into Physician Assistants.

We have one in our practice. I was put off when i saw her because all through the consultation she kept saying 'Ah, bless' in that tone of voice kept specially for children and the elderly.

Oh no, I hate that. At our surgery last week a nurse called me “hun” and I really detest that. On the way out I moved aside for a cleaner and she said the same.

They sent a feedback request and I complained on there.

petra

I wish everyone could see the trainee Dr I saw.
It was an emergency appointment, I was with him for over 30 mins.
He tested absolutely everything, including an ECG. Then he phoned the hospital to tell them to expect me. Wonderful man.

Me too!

I had been back and forwards and fobbed off with a heart problem.
I went back again and saw a trainee GP, who decided to phone the consultant directly, because she was so concerned. (She told me that she would probably get into trouble for being so bold.)

Fortunately, she caught him on his way to a clinic.
The consultant changed my medication and a few days later in the evening, I received a phone call to say that I was being admitted to Coronary Care and not to waste time going to admiussions.
That trainee saved my life too.

Nannarose

I started this before M)nica's post - so sorry to hear this.

Me too - awful

Judy54

I am more concerned about the Physician Associates who have 2 years training and are not qualified Doctors. Their role is to assist Doctors not take their place. It is very concerning that they are being allowed to do things that only trained Doctors should be doing. They are soon to be recognised by the General Medical Council Why? The problem is we are not told when visiting our GP's whether we are seeing an actual Doctor or a Physician Associate. This cannot and should not be acceptable to Patients.

I agree

Primrose53

I recently saw a trainee doctor and was not impressed. She was very unfriendly and hurried me. She was a big girl with a huge backside and a very short skirt. When she bent over to adjust the couch you could see her knickers. She did do a referral for me though. Overall opinion, not very professional.

I’ll be honest, I couldn’t care less whether the GP I see is 80 years old, a trainee, a large fat woman, or a thin tall man, so long as they deal with my medical issues properly

Freya5

I'd be quite happy to be seen by a PA. They have to have a science or biomedical science degree, then undergo intensive training for 2 years as well as undertaking regular updates which are compulsory, same as GPs, Nurses, or anyone for that matter. in the medical profession .
Very interesting to read what they go through training wise to achieve their role.
University of Birmingham Medical School.

That's as may be, but they are not doctors. When I saw a PA for something potentially quite serious, she told me she was qualified and able to do everything a doctor could. Those were her exact words. That is a lie, or delusional, whichever way you want to look at it. The rise of PA's is generally detrimental to patients, no doubt about it.

It's like saying that classroom assistants are exactly the same as teachers or draftsmen are exactly the same as civil engineers. The whole thing is a cost cutting measure which in my vast experience (in any field you care to name) is never for the benefit of the recipient.

lixy

Trainee GPs are qualified doctors doing extra training to be gps. They are allowed extra time for each consultation and have a qualified go mentor within the practice to refer to if unsure. I hope your treatment is effective and you feel better soon.

Are you aware of this?
These are not medical students but qualified doctors
DH spent a lot of time in the Royal Free in London over the years before and after his transplant, and was often “taught over” to students as he was quite unusual in his various conditions.
He lapped it up and always said he was happy to be a Guinea pig for students as they might be his consultants of the future and the more they could learn now, the better.

I recently saw a trainee doctor and was not impressed. She was very unfriendly and hurried me. She was a big girl with a huge backside and a very short skirt. When she bent over to adjust the couch you could see her knickers
Oh FFS, are we back to judging peoples professional competence by the size of their arse?
We have had this conversation before , I think in the context of Estate Agents and being “ professionally” dressed.
I really CBA to reiterate the various arguments expressed then, but professional expertise has to come at the top of my list. A good bedside manner is wonderful and highly desirable but a good physician should not be judged on their knickers.

RosiesMaw2 how about judging a doctor on their BMI? Or is that now not considered important?

petra

I wish everyone could see the trainee Dr I saw.
It was an emergency appointment, I was with him for over 30 mins.
He tested absolutely everything, including an ECG. Then he phoned the hospital to tell them to expect me. Wonderful man.

This happened at a recent appointment I took my daughter to, too

Primrose53

I recently saw a trainee doctor and was not impressed. She was very unfriendly and hurried me. She was a big girl with a huge backside and a very short skirt. When she bent over to adjust the couch you could see her knickers. She did do a referral for me though. Overall opinion, not very professional.

Oh dear.
I have lost count of the number of ‘ists’ that could be applied to this post.

Glad she made a referral for you and hope that that had a happy outcome.

ronib

RosiesMaw2 how about judging a doctor on their BMI? Or is that now not considered important?

Are you judged?
Should any professional - or indeed anybody - be judged on your opinion of their appearance?
Oh dear, back to Angela Rayners trouser suit it seems.

RosiesMaw2

^I recently saw a trainee doctor and was not impressed. She was very unfriendly and hurried me. She was a big girl with a huge backside and a very short skirt. When she bent over to adjust the couch you could see her knickers^
Oh FFS, are we back to judging peoples professional competence by the size of their arse?
We have had this conversation before , I think in the context of Estate Agents and being “ professionally” dressed.
I really CBA to reiterate the various arguments expressed then, but professional expertise has to come at the top of my list. A good bedside manner is wonderful and highly desirable but a good physician should not be judged on their knickers.

Are you confused? I have never discussed estate agents with you.

Why have you picked me out to reply to? If you don’t like what you read just move on. 🙂

If someone turned up at a wedding dressed like a bride, or all in white,or draped OTT in black at a funeral where we were asked to wear bright colours, we would take exception and consider them unsuitably dressed and I feel like that in any situation, whether talking tradesmen working on my house, or doctors, nurses or lawyers. I f they look scruffy and untidy, I cannot but have concerns about their professionalism.

Attention to detail, whether someone is painting the outside of my house or diagnosing my health problems, is something that goes through everything someone does, and will be reflected in how they dress.

Yes, I know all about mad geniuses, but they are few and far between and are unlikely to be GPs.

RosiesMaw2

^I recently saw a trainee doctor and was not impressed. She was very unfriendly and hurried me. She was a big girl with a huge backside and a very short skirt. When she bent over to adjust the couch you could see her knickers^
Oh FFS, are we back to judging peoples professional competence by the size of their arse?
We have had this conversation before , I think in the context of Estate Agents and being “ professionally” dressed.
I really CBA to reiterate the various arguments expressed then, but professional expertise has to come at the top of my list. A good bedside manner is wonderful and highly desirable but a good physician should not be judged on their knickers.

Reread my post. I wasn’t judging her by her knickers or size of backside. I started off by saying I felt hurried and she was unfriendly. I also said I got the referral I wanted.

Bearing in mind the post from GNHQ today regarding trying to get along with others, I can’t believe you are already trying to have a go at me rather than just giving your opinion to the OP.

Oh no, I hate that. At our surgery last week a nurse called me “hun” and I really detest that. On the way out I moved aside for a cleaner and she said the same.
They sent a feedback request and I complained on there
Oh dear and some people complain about waiting weeks for a face2face.
Why must there be this intolerance? You may not like a term such as “hun” but it is not unkindly meant. What happened to live and let live?
I find myself increasingly alienated by judgemental and critical attitudes by my (as I thought) peers on Gransnet. No wonder tempers flare up sometimes in RL if we cannot swallow our sense of entitlement in the face of the looks or language of others.

Are you confused? I have never discussed estate agents with you.
True- I think it was M0nica -I used the term “we” loosely meaning “we” on GN.

Why have you picked me out to reply to? If you don’t like what you read just move on 🙂
Um, what happened to the concept of “discussion” ?
I commented on a post expressing my opinion. Isn’t that what we do?

Primrose53

I recently saw a trainee doctor and was not impressed. She was very unfriendly and hurried me. She was a big girl with a huge backside and a very short skirt. When she bent over to adjust the couch you could see her knickers. She did do a referral for me though. Overall opinion, not very professional.

Well you sound like just the sort of patient who would get a Doctor jumping out of bed happy and eager to start another hectic day at the surgery.

When you decided to register your 'complaint' about being called 'hun' by a friendly Nurse and a Cleaner at the same surgery, do hope you used the opportunity to add that the Doctor you saw was a 'big girl' 'very unfriendly' and 'hurried' you. Or, that she also had a huge backside in a very short skirt, and was dressed so inappropriately for the job that you got a glimpse of her knickers when she bent over to adjust the couch!

You've stated on here that you not only had a Dr's appointment on request (when it seems that half the country reports that they wait forever to see a GP) but also at that consultation you were given a referral. So, wasn't that a good result ? Anything else would only seem to suggest a very sour and hyper-critical attitude towards the actual assistance you received, as well as the chance to criticise on this thread someone's appearance : shape, size, weight, dress sense, attitude.
Probably says a lot more about you than her.

Read the few previous comments but got called away in the middle of my post. Sorry for repetition.

RosiesMaw2 Yes I was frequently judged by gps for being slightly overweight according to the Body Mass Index and went on a few supervised diets. I noticed that BMI is out of fashion and Hip to Waist Ratio is in fashion.
Interesting to note that I lost lots of weight once a huge life threatening ovarian cyst was removed but that took forever to diagnose. To be fair once it was, all speed ahead.
Please keep Angela Rayner out of this discussion.

What is a GI problem please?
I do think the trainee doctor would have all your health information on screen, the problem and what has been prescribed. At my surgery appointments are every 10 to 15 minutes, if you can get one, they will only discuss one issue.
It concentrates the mind and I write down before hand the main reason for the visit and how can it be fixed.
I do think dressing appropriately is professional and necessary in meeting with the public, it inspires confidence however there are those that don’t care. I certainly don't think showing your knickers appropriate, neither would most people and I would mention it as they might not know, not a pretty sight.

Yet another thread descending into snapping and snarling. It is becoming boring and the posts are impossible to read with all the cross references often referring to the wrong poster.

HelterSkelter1

Yet another thread descending into snapping and snarling. It is becoming boring and the posts are impossible to read with all the cross references often referring to the wrong poster.

HelterSkelter1 what did you not understand?

Ronib. The ""hun" comment and the "short skirt" comment were both attributed to one poster when in fact they were made by 2 separate posters. It all gets so fractious. I understand the thread. It's not difficult, but as I said it gets boring. I'm off for a bath so no need to reply.

RosiesMaw2

^Oh no, I hate that. At our surgery last week a nurse called me “hun” and I really detest that. On the way out I moved aside for a cleaner and she said the same^.
They sent a feedback request and I complained on there
Oh dear and some people complain about waiting weeks for a face2face.
Why must there be this intolerance? You may not like a term such as “hun” but it is not unkindly meant. What happened to live and let live?
I find myself increasingly alienated by judgemental and critical attitudes by my (as I thought) peers on Gransnet. No wonder tempers flare up sometimes in RL if we cannot swallow our sense of entitlement in the face of the looks or language of others.

You seem determined to have a real go at me for some reason.

As I said I received a feedback request after my visit so I answered it honestly. What would you do, lie? Our surgery makes a big thing of getting feedback “to improve our service”

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to be addressed by your own name in a professional setting.