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Is it just me who is puzzled?

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Mollygo Tue 03-Dec-24 21:46:08

It was on the Lancaster Hospital’s things to do list.
Cancellation of non-essential meetings/activities in order to redirect clinician time to patient facing activities.

^W3 Well, in this case it depends on what the meetings were for, have we got actual information?

So sorry W3.
I simply copied and pasted the article from the hospital.
They didn’t specify what the non-essential meetings/activities were for.
If they think they aren’t essential I am not in a position to argue with that.

Aveline Tue 03-Dec-24 21:31:07

Good clinical governance staff can be very valuable. Non clinical but can really lead to streamlined and good quality working systems. I appreciated our clinical governance staff and they really improved our service.

theworriedwell Tue 03-Dec-24 20:29:48

Wes Streeting wants hospitals and trusts that are struggling to improve, aren't doctors (maybe managers) from hospitals that are doing well to advise and guide them so they can improve? Surely they will have to have meetings to work out what is going well and what isn't. At this time of year it is probably very difficult to cope with demand but I'm sure they will still get criticised if they don't manage to improve which presumably should magically happen.

Casdon Tue 03-Dec-24 20:22:31

Where I worked all meetings involving clinicians took place on the same day of each week, in designated administration sessions. Clinical sessions weren’t cancelled so meetings could be attended. I would assume that must have been happening in the Lancaster Infirmary, as otherwise not attending meetings wouldn’t affect their productivity as clinicians.

valdavi Tue 03-Dec-24 20:14:05

A proportion of the meetings are about getting the correct money for procedures that have been done, or for new procedures that will be done: that does impact patients because ensuring you're getting the correct money for what you've done is a very time-effective way of ensuring the money's going to be there to offer the treatments to the next raft of patients coming along.

Aveline Tue 03-Dec-24 20:10:56

There certainly was a lot of meetings to plan meetings

petra Tue 03-Dec-24 19:47:19

When I worked for a nationalised industry we had a long running joke about meetings to talk about the meetings.

Aveline Tue 03-Dec-24 19:39:07

The meetings I was talking about were not clinical ie not about patients but procedures/admin activities. 🥱

valdavi Tue 03-Dec-24 19:25:25

A lot (not all) of the meetings are desirable. There is a bit of a meetings culture, but in the last few years at least 50% of mine scheduled got cancelled due to one participant being too busy & everyone jumping on the bandwagon & agreeing to postpone, because everyone was too busy & very few prioritised meetings over their day to day role.

Kate1949 Tue 03-Dec-24 19:02:12

My sister was a PA for the NHS. It was her job to set up/organise meetings. She said the ridiculous things they had meetings about and the cost, including buffets would make your hair curl.

Wyllow3 Tue 03-Dec-24 19:01:13

Well, in this case it depends on what the meetings were for, have we got actual information?

I can imagine for example forward planning meetings where its very desirable that clinicians be involved tho not utterly essential and so on.

Macadia Tue 03-Dec-24 18:54:25

Aveline

I couldn't agree more. Before I retired from NHS I used to 'cost' meetings in my head. I'd add up the hours used at the pay point people were at on the pay scales. Such a huge consumer of clinical time.

That is funny Aveline . I used to do the exact same thing at my meetings I was forced to attend. Mainly because they were incredibly boring, useless, and I liked mathematics.

Aveline Tue 03-Dec-24 18:25:54

I couldn't agree more. Before I retired from NHS I used to 'cost' meetings in my head. I'd add up the hours used at the pay point people were at on the pay scales. Such a huge consumer of clinical time.

Mollygo Tue 03-Dec-24 18:16:50

I was reading about the new hospitals planned for Lancashire. Reading further, I read that Lancaster infirmary is under incredible pressure at the moment.
Steps being taken to deal with this included the following paragraph.
Cancellation of non-essential meetings/activities in order to redirect clinician time to patient facing activities.

Under current pressures, why were these non-essential meetings/activities being set up?