Obesity jabs

Nobody has mentioned Ultra Processed Food. I have recently read Chris Van Tulleken’s book Ultra Processed People and he makes a very strong case for UPF being responsible for a great deal of the current obesity epidemic. He certainly does not blame people for being overweight as much of the food that is available to people ( especially on a low budget) is inherently bad for us. His description of some of the ingredients added to UPF to render them more palatable and to make the consumer keep coming back for more made me gag. UPF also does not ‘switch off’ the appetite when you are full so you end up overeating. I now read the labels on everything and if it has an ingredient you wouldn’t find in a domestic kitchen I do not buy it. Incidentally this has led to me losing several pounds without trying and my cravings have drastically reduced. I would recommend everyone should read it. It is an eye opener.

I’m type 2 diabetic and was prescribed ozempic for this condition by the diabetic nurse as the oral medication wasn’t working.
She mentioned that one of the possible side effects was weight loss which I felt pretty pleased about having put on weight through other medications.
However I have been on ozempic for two years with no significant weight loss, I’m unable to exercise due to physical problems and limited mobility, even though this injection suppresses your appetite it’s not the super drug people think it is, it was originally developed for type 2 diabetes and weight loss was a side effect that people jumped on which caused shortages of the drug for people like myself who genuinely need it for the purpose it was initially developed.
And before people all shout you can lose weight through diet and exercise it’s very hard if you have poor mobility and eating very little and your medication causes weight gain, so please stop being judgemental and think before you judge

My daughter and myself both have privately prescribed injections by a reputable source. She has lost 6 stone and I have lost 2 stone. They stop the 'food noise' - you don't fancy food or crave food or really think about food anymore. If you do over eat you feel bloated and sick. We signed up to a programme where we monitor calories, macros and steps/exercise and now have a much healthier diet with more appropriate portion sizes and are more educated. I hope to stop the injections soon and manage my own weight armed with the correct knowledge and tools. The NHS may not be able to afford rolling them out as the benefits will be a lot longer term and their budgets just don't work like that - but my daughter was 10 stone overweight and has never been able to lose weight like this before and I am so relieved that she is able to do so. Her confidence and mood are significantly lifted and its a joy to see - and it has led to stopping taking anti depressants. She feels in control of her life rather than food controlling her and I am hopeful that she will be able to avoid some of the health issues that were inevitable. My weight loss has reduced back pain which means I no longer take prescription pain meds. If the NHS were able to subsidise injections, the users would be able to offset their cost with reduced food/alcohol intakes which would make them more personally affordable and there should be a reduction in costs for the NHS by reduced prescription medications.

I think we need to work on reducing the obeseogenicity of our environment, and on other, hopefully cheaper and more natural, methods of helping people 'turn down the noise' of food.

'Skydancer' I can't believe how judgemental you are! You should be ashamed of yourself, but of course as you're a SAINT you obviously have no need to be!

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If there are so many of us who can't lose weight by eating differently, where were all these people 50 years ago?

Out and about, walking among us, just as now. A quick search of Google images under 'ordinary people in the 1970s' showed these near the top.

The government won't , it seems, do a thing to reduce the amount of UPF that is so easy to buy and eat because they are hand in hand with the Men Who Made Us Fat. If there are so many of us who can't lose weight by eating differently, where were all these people 50 years ago? For the vast majority of people it really is a case of eating differently. I'm not judging. But it really is, most of the time, what we buy and eat that is the problem.

Doodledog

*Well, I'm sorry, but if you're eating too many calories for your own body, it's not going to be healthy, whether it's the best quality organic home-cooked food or not.*
I'm so pleased there are so many people on hand to tell people like me about diet . Can you help with exercise too, please, given that I have idiopathic desaturation on exertion?

Nope, sorry.

Well, I'm sorry, but if you're eating too many calories for your own body, it's not going to be healthy, whether it's the best quality organic home-cooked food or not.
I'm so pleased there are so many people on hand to tell people like me about diet . Can you help with exercise too, please, given that I have idiopathic desaturation on exertion?

Doodledog

growstuff

Doodledog

I don't eat ready meals, I can't remember the last time I had fish and chips, and most of what I eat is vegetarian as my husband follows a vegetarian diet.

I agree with Melanie123. The judgemental attitudes around weight are unbelievable. I am not obese, but am definitely overweight, and after a lifetime of being slim I can definitely tell the difference in attitudes towards fatties as opposed to the slim. It isn't just on here, where people can be anonymously offensive. It is clear in the way people treat you - it's as though many people see the overweight as inferior beings. Maybe terms like 'the obesity crisis' don't help.

Home-cooked and vegetarian food can be calorific.

See, that's exactly what I mean. I know. I don't live on cheese and chips. Being overweight doesn't equate to being ignorant. I eat what I ate before my thyroid went awry and my breathing with it. Mainly pulses and vegetables unless I eat out and take the opportunity to choose meat from the menu. It's just easier that way.

I mentioned a veggie diet as so many assume that being overweight is because of a diet of chips, pepperoni pizza and burgers. Mine is not.

PS. I'm not stupid either and I don't assume that being overweight is caused by a diet of chips, pizza and burgers (not there's anything wrong with good quality burgers without the bread).

nexus63

i am very overweight, about 6 stone and it is my fault, i got bowel cancer followed by vulva cancer and had to have all the lymph nodes removed from my groin, 14 of them, i now have lymphedema in both legs which has reduced my mobility, i need a walker when i am out and sometimes a wheelchair, i am now a type 2 diabetic. the bowel cancer left me with problems that i have to take anti diarrhea meds every day, i have cost the nhs a fortune in the last few years because of sepsis twice and other infections caused by the lymphedema, i have lost a stone in the last year, i have been offered the weight loss injections and might have no choice about getting them. i am glad that the poster is not someone who struggles with weight but others do and it is not always due to an unhealthy life style, my weight was 11/12 stone for more than 20 years.

My goodness, you really have been through it health-wise. People in your situation should be offered all the help which is available to lose weight. I hope you do and that it improves the quality of your life. Good luck!

Doodledog

growstuff

Doodledog

I don't eat ready meals, I can't remember the last time I had fish and chips, and most of what I eat is vegetarian as my husband follows a vegetarian diet.

I agree with Melanie123. The judgemental attitudes around weight are unbelievable. I am not obese, but am definitely overweight, and after a lifetime of being slim I can definitely tell the difference in attitudes towards fatties as opposed to the slim. It isn't just on here, where people can be anonymously offensive. It is clear in the way people treat you - it's as though many people see the overweight as inferior beings. Maybe terms like 'the obesity crisis' don't help.

Home-cooked and vegetarian food can be calorific.

See, that's exactly what I mean. I know. I don't live on cheese and chips. Being overweight doesn't equate to being ignorant. I eat what I ate before my thyroid went awry and my breathing with it. Mainly pulses and vegetables unless I eat out and take the opportunity to choose meat from the menu. It's just easier that way.

I mentioned a veggie diet as so many assume that being overweight is because of a diet of chips, pepperoni pizza and burgers. Mine is not.

I didn't for one moment think you're ignorant, but home-cooked and vegetarian food can be just as calorific as any other food. The way you wrote about, it seemed as though you were justifying what you eat by claiming it should be healthy for you. Well, I'm sorry, but if you're eating too many calories for your own body, it's not going to be healthy, whether it's the best quality organic home-cooked food or not.

i am very overweight, about 6 stone and it is my fault, i got bowel cancer followed by vulva cancer and had to have all the lymph nodes removed from my groin, 14 of them, i now have lymphedema in both legs which has reduced my mobility, i need a walker when i am out and sometimes a wheelchair, i am now a type 2 diabetic. the bowel cancer left me with problems that i have to take anti diarrhea meds every day, i have cost the nhs a fortune in the last few years because of sepsis twice and other infections caused by the lymphedema, i have lost a stone in the last year, i have been offered the weight loss injections and might have no choice about getting them. i am glad that the poster is not someone who struggles with weight but others do and it is not always due to an unhealthy life style, my weight was 11/12 stone for more than 20 years.

growstuff

Doodledog

I don't eat ready meals, I can't remember the last time I had fish and chips, and most of what I eat is vegetarian as my husband follows a vegetarian diet.

I agree with Melanie123. The judgemental attitudes around weight are unbelievable. I am not obese, but am definitely overweight, and after a lifetime of being slim I can definitely tell the difference in attitudes towards fatties as opposed to the slim. It isn't just on here, where people can be anonymously offensive. It is clear in the way people treat you - it's as though many people see the overweight as inferior beings. Maybe terms like 'the obesity crisis' don't help.

Home-cooked and vegetarian food can be calorific.

See, that's exactly what I mean. I know. I don't live on cheese and chips. Being overweight doesn't equate to being ignorant. I eat what I ate before my thyroid went awry and my breathing with it. Mainly pulses and vegetables unless I eat out and take the opportunity to choose meat from the menu. It's just easier that way.

I mentioned a veggie diet as so many assume that being overweight is because of a diet of chips, pepperoni pizza and burgers. Mine is not.

Harsh and untrue. Please see my post above. I have health issues which cause weight gain and make it very difficult to lose weight or even maintain a healthy weight. I eat a very healthy diet, rarely eat out, always cook from scratch etc, but I’m overweight and miserable about it.

Skydancer

ViceVersa

Wow. Simples. Must be great for you. I bet every overweight person wishes their life could be so simple.

It IS simple. Eat less. Move more.

But it isn't that simple for everyone. There are medical conditions which can lead to weight gain and also certain drugs which can cause it too. I am on two different medications, both of which are known to cause weight gain as a side effect. What do you propose I do? Genetics play a huge part in whether you are prone to putting on weight as well. It's hard enough feeling absolutely worthless because you are overweight without judgemental people like you.

Harsh

ViceVersa

Wow. Simples. Must be great for you. I bet every overweight person wishes their life could be so simple.

It IS simple. Eat less. Move more.

I'm a tad cynical about weight loss medication, if there's no accompanying counselling. I can see a parallel with anti-depressants and no counselling, I agree, growstuff, and it is the same with the popular slimming businesses such as Slimming World, Weigh Watchers etc. They do not deal with why people eat more than they need.

I do not criticise anyone for going to a slimming club, or for having injections, I just fear they are short term fixes which is sad, and will likely lead to future emotional overeating.

I don't think, however, that judgement or statements telling people all they have to do is 'X' help either, unless you have been there (and I have) nobody knows the misery of hating yourself because you are overweight, and I was only a couple of stones overweight.

I’m overweight - obese, and it’s not through choice.
I’m a Granny and will not live for another 25years. I therefore would like to enjoy the time I have left. I would like the weight loss injections but although my GP feels it would be a great idea for me, the NHS is unable to pay.
This most likely will result in my having other weight related health issues. Or I could buy it on line but the supplier is not regulated.
If anyone says ‘Just have smaller portions and exercise more’ I’ll scream
If it was that simple, I wouldn’t be this overweight for most of my adult life.
Please please be kind, it’s such a sensitive issue for me.

cookiemonster66

As a morbidly obese person myself, there needs to be more focus on the mental issue WHY we chose the wrong things. If you get to the core of the problem of overeating the rest will sort itself out. Personally I have a terrible relationship with food, I comfort eat, and things that happened in my childhood have shaped the poor decisions I make around food. I know so many people who have had obesity surgery who still over eat because the underlying problem is still there!

I agree. Reading some of the comments, it does seem that the relationship some people have with food has gone wrong somewhere (not blaming them). That's why I'm a tad cynical about weight loss medication, if there's no accompanying counselling. I can see a parallel with anti-depressants and no counselling.

petra

Silverlining
You’re not alone. We joke that he can put on a pound with an apple.
He doesn’t like sugar, doesn’t have a sweet tooth, our diet is mainly based on fish. We both ( not deliberately) don’t eat after 6 in the evening until 11 .30 the next day.
The last takeaway we had ( family birthday) was nearly a year ago.
He goes to the gym for 2 hrs Monday to Friday.
Here’s the joke: I eat more than him and rarely waver from 8stone.
I won’t talk about the jab because most on here are experts on it despite the fact that very few of them have taken it or know someone on it.

Well, I've never taken it, nor do I know anybody who has. That's why I'm genuinely trying to understand how it works and if it works in the long-term. I don't really understand why people overeat either. Sorry if I sound smug, but I'm genuinely trying to understand.

Obviously I was referring to my partner in the above post 😂

Doodledog

I don't eat ready meals, I can't remember the last time I had fish and chips, and most of what I eat is vegetarian as my husband follows a vegetarian diet.

I agree with Melanie123. The judgemental attitudes around weight are unbelievable. I am not obese, but am definitely overweight, and after a lifetime of being slim I can definitely tell the difference in attitudes towards fatties as opposed to the slim. It isn't just on here, where people can be anonymously offensive. It is clear in the way people treat you - it's as though many people see the overweight as inferior beings. Maybe terms like 'the obesity crisis' don't help.

Home-cooked and vegetarian food can be calorific.

faringdon59. How shockingly judgemental.