Assisted dying bill

Galaxy

It is shameful. This is what happens when the labour party is filled with the middle class. I will never vote fir them again

I didn’t vote for them thank goodness.

Claremont I do not respond when shouted at.

You are as entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

It is shameful. This is what happens when the labour party is filled with the middle class. I will never vote fir them again

As for abortion, let's not mix everything up for goodness sake!

For your info, I am very concerned about abortion being available beyond 16 weeks, and beyond 24 weeks unless in extremely exceptional medical circumstances.

For Assisted Dying, the choice will have to be very clearly made by the person, and self administered. This is NOT euthanasia.

NO, NO and more NO. This bill will give the choice to a very small number of people, in clear, well defined conditions, to choose to end their own life in total safety. And it certainly does NOT, in any way, shape or form, legalise euthnasia. Not for those with terminal illness with an estimated 6 months to live- and NOT at all ever, for the elderly or infirm, or ill with a non terminal illness.

Claremont

The Bill has passed with a majority of 23.

I do not think there are enough safe guards in this legislation.

UK is now in a slippery slope, Abortion available up to 40 weeks and legal euthanasia of the elderly, ill and infirm.

The Bill has passed with a majority of 23.

I feel strongly that people should be allowed this choice.
Someone who is alone & can't manage is likely to end up in A&E or with GP & then residential care / help at home will be looked at, not assisted dying.
Disabled people who are protesting wouldn't meet the criteria anyway as although they have a long term condition without a known cure, they haven't been given a prognosis of 6 months or less.
As other posters have said, the law can be strengthened if we find applications where it's not genuinely the patient's strongly-held wish.
Good palliative care is hugely important but fear of suffering is a problem even if pain control is perfect, and for some people it would help immeasurably to know they are in control, they have that choice.

On radio 4 Any Answers this afternoon a caller from the Netherlands said they passed a bill in 2002 with which the majority are happy and she compared the humane deaths of family members there with family members in the UK. In 23 years the Netherlands must have advice for the UK on avoiding coercion and any other problems the debate here throws up.
Another caller in the UK said her dearly loved DH took 28 long days in a hospice to finally die from a terminal painful illness. He asked the Drs to be able to die every day. How terrible for him and for his wife.
There must be choice for the medics and the patients. Those who are not happy with assisted suicide need not take part in any way. But as many callers said today you would be criminalised if you allowed a pet to suffer in a similar way.

I hope there are enough safeguards in place to assure that no one is coerced into ending their life. It should be up to the patient if they are of sound mind of course. The thought of anyone ending up alone in Switzerland in that little room as its the only way to end their suffering is heartbreaking. No one should have to do that. Esther Ranzen has made her views very clear, it should be her decision. What worries me is the lack of good palluative care, it's a lottery, also feeling a nuisance to their families who don't care enough or are alone and can't manage. I have known a few like that.

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Caleo

Shinamae, join Exit and get instructions. I did but have forgotten the exact instructions. I do remember Exit tells how to make a simple comfortable face mask that suffocates you AFTER you take the pills, just to ensure the pills work.

It is very difficult to get the pills unfortunately unless online and that is not reliable, you could be sent rubbish.

I will PM you….

Shinamae, join Exit and get instructions. I did but have forgotten the exact instructions. I do remember Exit tells how to make a simple comfortable face mask that suffocates you AFTER you take the pills, just to ensure the pills work.

It is very difficult to get the pills unfortunately unless online and that is not reliable, you could be sent rubbish.

My brother died from bone cancer when he was 14 .That was over 50 years ago. Some still remember. I was 2 years old

I will probably end up doing it myself and make a right bloody balls of it….😭

Shinamae

Caleo

Shimamae. until it's not illegal to get an assisted death , my sons would be penalised if they accompanied to Switzerland so I could get myself pleasantly dead.

Yes I know that,I’m really saying that part of it where people travel with you to such places should be decriminalised…
but it’s also the main factors that if you’ve got dementia and you cannot say at the last minute that you want to take the killer dose I should be able to tell my doctor he should be able to liaise and sort this out
So really I want my Doctor to liaise when I’ve given them instructions while I’m fit and mentally well and then for someone not necessarily a relative to accompany me but not be liable for prosecution …

Wishful thinking I know, but can’t happen soon enough for me..

Caleo

Shimamae. until it's not illegal to get an assisted death , my sons would be penalised if they accompanied to Switzerland so I could get myself pleasantly dead.

Yes I know that,I’m really saying that part of it where people travel with you to such places should be decriminalised…
but it’s also the main factors that if you’ve got dementia and you cannot say at the last minute that you want to take the killer dose I should be able to tell my doctor he should be able to liaise and sort this out
So really I want my Doctor to liaise when I’ve given them instructions while I’m fit and mentally well and then for someone not necessarily a relative to accompany me but not be liable for prosecution …

me

Shimamae. until it's not illegal to get an assisted death , my sons would be penalised if they accompanied to Switzerland so I could get myself pleasantly dead.

Caleo

At Dignitas you drink it yourself in a private room.

When doctor assisted dying is legal in the UK even poor people who cannot afford Dignitas will be able to die with medical assistance.

A few years ago, I watched the documentary when Terry Pratchett accompanied aman and his wife to Dignitas(can’t quite remember, but I think the man may have had multiple sclerosis or Motor neuron disea,as I say I can’t really remember) But the important thing he was able to say right up to the last minute what he wanted to do
Right up to the last minute they were asking the man if he wanted to take it I think it was a drink and he took it and he sat by his wife on a small sofa leaned into his wife’and he was gone..
The thing is if you’ve got dementia, you cannot say right up to the the last minute whether you want to do this so if I get dementia because I would sooner pay and go to Dignitas rather than my kids lose there bit of inheritance for me to be kept alive for the sake of it. This is why I wish I should go to my doctor now with a solicitor and maybe even say that when I lose my mind completely I want to go to dignitas This is my opinion.

Whiff, I have felt the same about the "people with disabilities" objection.Just because someone is disabled doesn't mean they can't be assertive and can't self-advocate. Why they should be any more vulnerable to being pressured into agreeing to end their life than an able-bodied person escapes me. Yes they may need assistance with daily living but that is a way of life for them & probably has been for many years. It is less clear with learning disabilities and acquired intellectual disabilities, but when these affect the person's ability to make independant decisions, I think the Bill states they wouldn't be a suitable candidate for assisted dying.
I'm disabled & I support the bill for the reasons posters above have given.

At Dignitas you drink it yourself in a private room.

When doctor assisted dying is legal in the UK even poor people who cannot afford Dignitas will be able to die with medical assistance.

Copies of my advance directive are with my lawyer, and my GP medical centre. I have a third copy to be handed to the ward sister when I go into hospital .

My husband has asked me a couple of times to end his suffering after a severe stroke. It is heartbreaking to see someone you love and have been married to for 48 years so distressed.

I have no doubt in my mind that if he could use both hands he would have already done it himself. I have been sleeping on the sofa for about 2 months as I dare not leave him alone. Finally went back to my bed upstairs last week.

Rosie51

Shinamae

I SHOULD be allowed to go to my doctor now(while I am off sound mind) with my solicitor and request that if I get severe dementia or terminal cancer, I should be allowed to have a lethal injection to end my life……

But do you have the right to insist that somebody else should administer that injection? And are you not in any way a little bit concerned that anyone is queueing up to be able to administer said injection to you? I'd love to have faith that everybody involved had the highest motives but humans.........

Pierpoint managed to hang quite a few people and I’m pretty sure there would be people willing to administer a lethal injection after all they do it in the U.SA on death row….🤷‍♀️