Assisted dying bill

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Shinamae

Shinamae

I SHOULD be allowed to go to my doctor now(while I am off sound mind) with my solicitor and request that if I get severe dementia or terminal cancer, I should be allowed to have a lethal injection to end my life……

I’m 72

you may change your mind if you really did get one of the quoted diseases and not want the injection then. However having put it in writing that, it was once your wish, a family member with POA could possibly use that against you and any treatment available when the time comes. (just used as an example of course). There are so many issues both for and against and I agree with them all.

My brother died at 49 twenty two years ago with bowel cancer. He was in absolute agony. I was with him when he died he couldn’t speak. It was awful absolutely terrible. I don’t want my family to go through that with me. Should the time come…
I already have an advanced directive with my Doctor and with my papers to say that I don’t want any treatment if I faced catastrophic illness with no hope of any respite or cure

Yes it is a different matter and I would have ended my husband's life back in 2004 as we had already decided what he wanted . Would have done the same for my parents if they asked . As none of them could have done it themselves. And I could have been charged with murder or manslaughter and imprisoned.for it .

I do not want anyone to have the responsibility of ending my life when I choose . But have no intention of dieing yet. To many things I want to do .
But I have seen my husband being ravaged by cancer and my mom turning into a monster through dementia . I do not want anyone who loves me to go through what I did . I don't want anyone to have my memories of what happened to them and my dad.

Whiff

Rosie I would not expect anyone to give me a lethal dose . I will do it myself when I know it's time . To be honest I already take a tablet that in a high dose would kill me . That's why I made sure may children growing up went no where my tablets do the same with my grandsons.

But that would be suicide which is already legal. The point of the bill is for the assistance that people need which is a different matter.

I think the will to live is a very strong one for most of us and it does seem to me that we need some clarification about the point you lose the ability to decide for yourself. I do think vulnerable people might be pressured but I suspect they would probably find that pull to live prevails when it came down to the nitty gritty.
Rosie, vets have to make that decision all the time as do Drs when it comes to abortions. Some people won't see it as murder, they will see it as a kindness. If they choose to assist, the process for permission is sound and the process for the actual deed is painless, I think that is up to their conscience. If their motives are less than pure, as long as they comply with the legalities, that is up to them. I'm not sure it should be up to a relative to do the deed.

Rosie I would not expect anyone to give me a lethal dose . I will do it myself when I know it's time . To be honest I already take a tablet that in a high dose would kill me . That's why I made sure may children growing up went no where my tablets do the same with my grandsons.

Shinamae

I SHOULD be allowed to go to my doctor now(while I am off sound mind) with my solicitor and request that if I get severe dementia or terminal cancer, I should be allowed to have a lethal injection to end my life……

But do you have the right to insist that somebody else should administer that injection? And are you not in any way a little bit concerned that anyone is queueing up to be able to administer said injection to you? I'd love to have faith that everybody involved had the highest motives but humans.........

Shinamae

Shinamae

I SHOULD be allowed to go to my doctor now(while I am off sound mind) with my solicitor and request that if I get severe dementia or terminal cancer, I should be allowed to have a lethal injection to end my life……

I’m 72

you may change your mind if you really did get one of the quoted diseases and not want the injection then. However having put it in writing that, it was once your wish, a family member with POA could possibly use that against you and any treatment available when the time comes. (just used as an example of course). There are so many issues both for and against and I agree with them all.

Shinamae

I SHOULD be allowed to go to my doctor now(while I am off sound mind) with my solicitor and request that if I get severe dementia or terminal cancer, I should be allowed to have a lethal injection to end my life……

I’m 72

I SHOULD be allowed to go to my doctor now(while I am off sound mind) with my solicitor and request that if I get severe dementia or terminal cancer, I should be allowed to have a lethal injection to end my life……

Yes but the ones who can't make decisions have been let down time and time again, those at risk of coercion have been let down time and time again, I have no faith in safeguards put in place by the govrrnments or the NHS for example.

I was born disabled with a rare hereditary neurological condition plus a hole in the side of my heart . And am capable of making my own decisions plus looked after my children. Nursed my husband,helped my mom with my dad ,then had mom and mother in law until they died.
Disability doesn't mean incapable. Yes some people with disabilities will need the protection provided by the law but their are far more many off us who can make our own decisions.

Galaxy

I wasn't talking to you caleo, I think generally those who support the bill have failed to address/ understand the risks. I am afraid I think it us a bill led by the privileged ( and I hate that word!)

Of course there must be safeguards but if we were able to write a living will giving the circumstances where we would like to determine our demise there would be a record of what people would like. For me, I don't want to put my children through what I have had to go through twice. I have seen some most awful deaths; my grandfather drowned in his own pneumonia after a prolonged period of advanced dementia, countless crippling UTI's and being really scared of anything that moved. Can you imagine what it must have been like not being able to breathe because there was insufficient passage for oxygen to enter your lungs for at least the last 24 hours. It was horrendous and cruel.
The bill might be led by the privileged because that is where the power lies but even the unprivileged don't want to see their loved ones die in such cruel circumstances.

Caleo

Granniesunite, there is medication to allay severe agitation of mood.
Please excuse me . My friend in hospital terminally ill was become agitated and I consulted ward sister who told me this.

There is but it often sedates so that the person just sleeps most of the time. That is not quality of life. We have investigated this for my Mum who has dementia and has become very anxious.

I wasn't talking to you caleo, I think generally those who support the bill have failed to address/ understand the risks. I am afraid I think it us a bill led by the privileged ( and I hate that word!)

Caleo I think the meds you mean are anti psychotics which are powerful and should be prescribed only in the most extenuating circumstances.

Galaxy, do you accuse me of this lack? If so then say so . I don''t tolerate hints and vague suggestions.

Granniesunite, there is medication to allay severe agitation of mood.
Please excuse me . My friend in hospital terminally ill was become agitated and I consulted ward sister who told me this.

Silver Lining wrote:

"There are so many Gods whose followers believe in’ their’ God as the one true God, , but they can’t all be right.".

Indeed they are not all right. Jesus Christ is more truly iconic than any other god.

For me, Good Friday, Christ son of God was crucified.

There are so many Gods whose followers believe in’ their’ God as the one true God, , but they can’t all be right.

And you, Anniebach.

Much faith in a law in favour of assisted dying being adhered to?

It us everyone's business to protects the rights of those with disabilities, those who may be coerced.

It's nobody else's business when and how I decide to die.

icanhandthemback I do understand thank you.

I so remember as a child visiting a churchyard, there was one grave behind the back of the church, I asked why and was told
‘at that time suicides could not be buried in concentrated ground !

Don’t want to be preachy , Christ in great pain called out
“My God, my God why have you forsaken me” . He knew the depths of physical suffering.

Free will ? Tricky, murder ? Theft ?

Have a joyful Easter

It's a pity about Roman Catholicism's bossy tendency.