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Winefride17 Tue 15-Apr-25 21:36:33

This evening SPUK, the Catholic pro life movement, discussed how to stop Kim Leadbetter’s assisted dying bill.
They sighted the many problems and sweeping inclusion of those not at end of life stage. They gave instructions on how to support and affirm those who voted against the bill. And how to lobby those MPs who or in your own constituency to change their yes agreement to this awful bill to a NO!
We only need 23 to change from their vote from yes to a no, to defeat this terrible rushed through bill. That will widen if it is put in to law.
The bill is rushed through and has closed down debate. It needs to be stopped!
Please take action against the Leadbetter assisted suicide bill!

Parsley3 Fri 18-Apr-25 10:29:39

Assisted dieing is everyone's right if that's what they want . If they want to let nature take it's course then that is their right also.

This is how I feel about it. I want a choice when the time comes and I may or may not take advantage of assisted dying if it is available. Any religious beliefs that I hold may well be set aside if I face an end of life challenge that I can't endure. It is right that this bill should be scrutinised though. Assisted dying is a new concept for the UK and the longterm consequences are as yet untested. I welcome the choice being given to the terminally ill but I suspect that, in time, other conditions will be included. In principle, I support it but with caution.

icanhandthemback Fri 18-Apr-25 10:09:57

I don't mock your God, Anniebach, or anyone else's. I am conflicted about whether there is a God. When the chips are down, I pray. However, I found it really difficult to understand how a loving, forgiving God can allow such terrible things to happen and the argument about free will falls down. There are good people suffering with the most terrible afflictions who had no choice or free will. I can't believe a truly loving, forgiving God wouldn't forgive them for saying they couldn't stand the last pain and indignity.

Anniebach Fri 18-Apr-25 09:47:48

As a Christian I believe in one God, so to mock God is to mock
my God

Whiff Fri 18-Apr-25 09:34:15

SheepIzzy never mentioned catholic so why is it offensive. I am an atheist. And been told by a member of the church of England I will burn in the fires of hell. I pointed out as I don't believe in any gods therefore don't believe in hell. But I will burn when they cremate me.

I don't force my atheist views on anyone and would never tell a religious person of any faith they are wrong to believe .

We have free will to believe in what is right for us .

Anniebach Fri 18-Apr-25 09:14:05

Agree MBM

MBM Fri 18-Apr-25 09:10:45

I am not a Catholic but l find your post offensive.
Would you have made such a comment had it been Muslim faith.?

SheepyIzzy Fri 18-Apr-25 07:48:09

Nanato3

If I'm right I think this bill is only for terminally Ill people.
Why ? Everyone should have the right to end their lives if they can't cope with their illness anymore.

Leaving people in terrible pain and a slow death is barbaric.

Well Said!!

I'm all for it.

If my dog was suffering I could be charged with cruelty and yet a person is allowed to suffer because they are human?

My grandad lived his last few years with us and he died in pain from Bowel Cancer, I would see his potty every morning full of blood, but never mind hey? He's a human being, the morphine couldn't keep the pain at bay, he just has to keep going until his body gives out. He asked my mum to end it. He died, 4/1/89, 86 years old, mum and my sister at his side, at the local cottage hospital. Where is the dignity in that?

We aren't religious, but IS THAT what God wants? People to die in such unbearable pain?

Tough, not for me!

Whiff Fri 18-Apr-25 07:46:36

When my husband's cancer was terminal we told our children if the got to much for him I would help him died. Both my husband and I firmly believed it's quality of life not quantity that counts . In 2003 we had enough morphine tablets and liquid to kill few herds of elephants . I would have over dosed him if he asked as our McMillan nurse already total us any higher dose than he was on would kill him so knew how much to give him . He became unconscious before I could help him and put on a morphine pump. My husband died in agony unable to breath on full oxygen at home with me and our children. I had to tell him to stop and we would be ok he died couple of minutes later. But there is never an ok. Nurses told us even if a person is unconscious they can still hear I know he was waiting for me to let go.

My dad wanted to died months before he did and only hung on because my mom wasn't ready to let go . I would have helped him if he asked .

If my mom knew what the dementia would do to her she would have wanted her life to end . My mom died 4 months before her body. And it was 4 months I would hate anyone to go through.

We have free will and if we want to die than inflect extra pain on ourselves and those who love us then we have the right to choose. I have already decided what to do if I have no quality of life as I will not let my daughter go through what I did with my husband ,parents and mother in law.

People don't let their pets suffer if they have a terminal illness or no quality of life . And yet we let people suffer in agony .

Death in my experience is not pretty it's horrific and watching your loved ones dieing their bodies become skeletal . I have watched 4 people die and everytime it was the same . I will not let my daughter go through that ..She already saw to an extent what her dad went through . But neither of our children know the real horror their dad went through . We protected them from the worst. But they where with me when I told they're dad to stop and saw him die few minutes later and left our bedroom straight away. They where 20 and 16.

No one knows what they will want to do until they are dieing and everyone has the right to die how they want . Morphine dose not stop the pain even on the highest dose .

This is just my experience before anyone jumps on me and tells me I am wrong . Assisted dieing is everyone's right if that's what they want . If they want to let nature take it's course then that is their right also.

janipans Fri 18-Apr-25 00:45:16

We had to watch my grandmother suffer greatly with terminal cancer. She had no quality of life and begged us to give her some means of ending it, but because she was well cared for she lingered long and died an excruciatingly uncomfortable death. I would not wish that for myself or anyone else.

icanhandthemback Fri 18-Apr-25 00:02:37

I think assisted dying should be allowed but I am not sure the current bill goes far enough.

win Thu 17-Apr-25 20:24:49

Madgran77

Any Assisted Dying Bill should be alongside a national strategy on funded full palliative end of life care available to all. That provides proper choice between those two options. So many people dont have the choice of high quality palliative care. Shocking!

I also totally agree.

win Thu 17-Apr-25 20:23:49

Granniesunite

I’m torn on this one. I’m watching my poor husband die every day with Alzhimers and it’s been years.

Some days he’s in torment and can’t get peace. Wandering around the house exhausted but he can’t sit down pacing pacing pacing til we’re both so exhausted.

I have every activity known to man to encourage him to settle for a while. Some days it works others not.

He’s non verbal he’s just makes sounds but I feel he’s trying to say something to me and he’s is so distressed at times it’s heart breaking.

Would he agree to this bill?

I think I he would. But it won’t help others affected by this illness.

Do you have the support of a local Admiral Nurse & Hopsiscare I wonder? My heart goes out to you, I emphasise so well as I have been there twice.

AN41 Thu 17-Apr-25 18:52:18

Our much loved pets get more humane end-of-life treatment than many people do.

I'm so sorry for the distress of relatives who have experienced the awful helplessness of watching their loved one dying in pain and fear.

I hope the Bill is passed.

missdeke Thu 17-Apr-25 18:45:56

Seakay

missdeke

I think the bill should go through, it doesn't go far enough though. What right has anybody got to stop somebody dying if they want to. if they are suffering and want to end their life then they should decide their own fate as long as they are in full command of their mental faculties. For somebody else to dictate what a person may or not do with their own body is obscene in my opinion.

The worries are that there is not enough included to stop dictation of death by interested parties unduly influencing vulnerable people.

Surely if someone is fully compos mentis then they are not a vulnerable person?

MayBee70 Thu 17-Apr-25 18:39:49

I know this sounds a bit morbid but one of the reasons why I haven’t signed up for Pure Cremation is because I thought to myself, what happens if I have to go to Dignitas sad?

Rosie51 Thu 17-Apr-25 18:38:22

This is a personal choice except it won't be for everybody. You have to be mentally competent and physically able to administer the death drug to yourself. As it stands doctors have to agree on both these counts, so the bill will not help everyone who'd want to die to do so. I notice not one person has expressed any view on children under 18 not being released from an agonising death. Doesn't that concern anyone? It certainly is a reason to campaign for better palliative care and research into better pain management.
I watched my mother suffer, but she wouldn't have qualified under this bill, the cancer had reached her brain and she was delusional.

grannyro Thu 17-Apr-25 18:30:39

This is a personal choice and I don't feel one person can say that another can't choose a quick death over a long suffering one. If you don't agree with it you don't have to use this law but don't force other people to suffer!

GANNET Thu 17-Apr-25 17:45:10

Correct - we have waited too long if anything

GANNET Thu 17-Apr-25 17:37:19

I absolutely support this bill so tired of people who haven’t seen a loved one suffer obviously. You do you - leave other people to have a choice.

Madgran77 Thu 17-Apr-25 17:35:42

MayBee70

It wouldn’t be so bad if hospices weren’t under such terrible financial pressure. I’ve never understood why they are charities when they are so necessary.

Exactly. We are all going to die. Accessing appropriate care as we go through the process of coming to the end of our lives is a human right that should be provided through a national strategy for palliative care, which hospices would be part of. Palliative care is not just about hospices or medical institutions. It can be in the home as well or care homes etc

Education is needed across the entire sector dealing with people who are dying alongside support for people who wish to choose their own time to die.

Madgran77 Thu 17-Apr-25 17:30:47

Camille333

I fail to understand why some people have the nerve to play with people's needs.Until you've walked in their shoes ,someone in pain, terminally I'll or disabled needs help.The will to live is strong but maybe there comes a time when it's just not enough and to have a choice to be released in peace must be a great comfort.

There is definitely a time when either a need for peace or a need to not face aspects of a disease override the will to live. People make the choice to refuse treatment; to stop eating etc precisely because of that. I do believe that they should be able to make a choice for themselves re when they die ....and the choice must be able to be made between choosing fo die or choosing to take good palliative care. That is why palliative care as a right is so important in this debate .

Seakay Thu 17-Apr-25 17:30:41

missdeke

I think the bill should go through, it doesn't go far enough though. What right has anybody got to stop somebody dying if they want to. if they are suffering and want to end their life then they should decide their own fate as long as they are in full command of their mental faculties. For somebody else to dictate what a person may or not do with their own body is obscene in my opinion.

The worries are that there is not enough included to stop dictation of death by interested parties unduly influencing vulnerable people.

Seakay Thu 17-Apr-25 17:29:05

Ladyleftfieldlover

In what way is this bill being rushed through?

www.lawgazette.co.uk/commentary-and-opinion/assisted-dying-bill-there-is-much-in-the-debate-that-frustrates/5121549.article

MayBee70 Thu 17-Apr-25 17:13:03

It wouldn’t be so bad if hospices weren’t under such terrible financial pressure. I’ve never understood why they are charities when they are so necessary.

missdeke Thu 17-Apr-25 17:05:43

I think the bill should go through, it doesn't go far enough though. What right has anybody got to stop somebody dying if they want to. if they are suffering and want to end their life then they should decide their own fate as long as they are in full command of their mental faculties. For somebody else to dictate what a person may or not do with their own body is obscene in my opinion.