Another COVID vaccine?

Robin202

I never had any and never would. I’ve heard of so many people who have had seriously adverse reactions, heart and neurological conditions soon after their vaccinations and sadly I know of four people in my circle who developed cancer soon after and at an advanced stage too.
Several countries have suspended the covid vaccine due to blood clotting and heart conditions.

Which countries?

www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/some-european-countries-halted-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-for-young-people-idUSL1N2RE22K/

Fact Check: Some European countries halted Moderna COVID-19 vaccines for young people

This fact check was written in 2021. Admittedly there might have been some more recent bans, so it would be great if you have a link.

Menopauselbitch

I can’t believe people aren’t reading about the higher rates of myocarditis and the law suits that are happening. No more for me.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-information-for-healthcare-professionals/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-following-covid-19-vaccination

Covid can cause myocarditis.

So can the covid vaccine.
It is a well known side effect.
At the height of the vaccination program, all we were reading about were young sportsmen collapsing on the field and ‘sudden deaths’. It was horrendous.

Whatever side of the fence one sits is obviously a personal choice and each experience, either personal or those that happened to friends or family and those documented on various support and compensation groups, all contribute towards our choice of to vax or not….and so be it.

By now, we should all have made our minds up.

When they say I can have a covid jab I will have it. I had covid last year but thanks to having the jabs since they started it was more like a bad cold I was just very tired. I have a rare hereditary neurological condition and PAF and hole in the side of my heart . I had no second thoughts having the first one as I have always had all jabs available since a child. And we made sure our children had theirs. My children paid for their son's to have the chicken pox jab.

I had Shingles because I was 65 in the April last year. They rolled it out for people 65 from September 2023. And was refused the jab that year Luckily I got the anti virals within 24 hours . Have to wait until I am 70 now . I don't want to have shingles again but to have it done privately is far to expensive for me .

People moaning about the covid jab and yet they are happily injecting the weight loss jabs. Who knows what damage will it to people . Plus if you want to loss weight then do it the hard way like thousands of us do .

Meant I was 65 April 2023. Had shingles April 2024.

Robin202

So can the covid vaccine.
It is a well known side effect.
At the height of the vaccination program, all we were reading about were young sportsmen collapsing on the field and ‘sudden deaths’. It was horrendous.

Whatever side of the fence one sits is obviously a personal choice and each experience, either personal or those that happened to friends or family and those documented on various support and compensation groups, all contribute towards our choice of to vax or not….and so be it.

By now, we should all have made our minds up.

I know it can, but research shows without a shadow of a doubt that the risk is much greater from catching Covid.

Never had one and never will

I am genuinely perplexed that people are saying that they don’t intend having a Covid vaccination.

When Covid first emerged I caught it. I hadn’t been abroad (at the time they were only testing people who had been to Italy). It absolutely wrecked my health and left me with heart failure (prior to this I had a reasonably active lifestyle, swam five times a week and was never unwell although I was overweight).

My health has never been right since. My immune system is shot. I have had Sepsis twice and in the last couple of years I’ve had a six week and four week stay in hospital. I’m 59.

I’ve had Covid seven or eight times and on several occasions it has hit me really badly. I’ve had each of the vaccines and usually they have meant that I don’t get it as badly as previously.

I nearly died. Why anyone would risk that over a vaccination that can result in a tiny percentage of people having side effects is beyond me.

Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I wouldn’t wish what I have gone through on anyone. I’m housebound, so limited in what I can do and although I try to remain positive it’s hard to have lost the life I took for granted.

Robin202

So can the covid vaccine.
It is a well known side effect.
At the height of the vaccination program, all we were reading about were young sportsmen collapsing on the field and ‘sudden deaths’. It was horrendous.

Whatever side of the fence one sits is obviously a personal choice and each experience, either personal or those that happened to friends or family and those documented on various support and compensation groups, all contribute towards our choice of to vax or not….and so be it.

By now, we should all have made our minds up.

Once again, gross exageration and no evidence to back it up. Myocarditis was a very rare side effect of the COVID jab and the incidence of this rare side effect, is slightly higher for those aged under 20.

But every year we read of young people (and those in their 20s-40s) collapsing and dying on the sports field from undiagnosed and rare heart problems, having had no previous known health problems. I have known families that suffered a tragedy like this.

There is ample validated research evidence of the rarity of this side effect to the COVID vaccination, even in young people.
www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(24)00388-2/fulltext
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/articles/covid19vaccinationandmortalityinyoungpeopleduringthecoronaviruspandemic/2022-03-22
www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/advice-for-providers/clinical-guidance/myocarditis-pericarditis

I absolutely agree that the decision to be vaccinated is a personal choice, but the choice should be based on validated research not on alarmist exagerations on social media.

My daughter worked in intensive care during the epidemic trying to keep people alive, she caught COVID and was quite unwell but many doctors, nurses etc caught it. I'm lucky never to have had COVID or flu . I have all the vaccines I'm offered not just to protect me but to protect others. I'm aware that some people have had adverse reactions but nowhere near the number of people who have died or developed long standing issues because of having COVID. I wonder if people actually understand risk the evidence for vaccination is very strong.

It is of course a matter of individual choice now that the imperative to vaccinate to protect the general population has lessened, although not gone away.
But it is important that concerns about serious side effects are based on proper research rather than anecdote so the the proper weight can be given to those concerns.
Statements like .. "it is a well known fact that ..." do not help.

I'm not sure about others, but I find it rather an insult to my intelligence when it is inferred that I haven't done research, or more importantly, spoken with a health professional. I make my decisions from that.
There's a difference between saying people in general who refuse the vaccine make blind decisions, and some people who decline after informing themselves.

There was an excellent podcast on the issue of vaccines- well researched and balanced. I think it was called Anti-Vax or similar, and traced the history of the ant-vax movement until quite recently.

I suggest anyone who thinks they know about vaccines, and what they are and do, should take a listen on BBC Sounds.

Sympathies to you Mamma66. My 48 year old daughter is in the same situation.

I hate reading GNs boasting about not being vaccinated. I appreciate not everyone wants the vax and that you make up your mind after research. It's a personal decision.

But oh the boasting.

I'll defintely be having another covid jab when its offered. My daughter is underoging preventative chemo at the moment, and I'm looking after her a lot. I can't risk getting ill myself, or passing something on to her. But I would still be having any jabs that are offered, to protect other people who have weakened immune systems etc etc. I've had covid at twice - maybe 3 times, can't remember. First one was bad, but subsequently not as bad - I am sure the jabs helped. Each one to themselves I reckon. We all have different reasons for having or refusing the jabs....................!!! I'm no medic. I just do what feels right for me and my family

No more for me. I had always been fit and healthy but since the last jab, my bloodpressure is very high and am now on medication and was rushed in to Hospital with atrial fibulation and now feel dreadful most days.

I had COVID at Easter. First a cough, followed by a runny nose and realised I had a chest infection. Took my antibiotics as I have a chest condition and was better very quickly. My children did not tell me I had Covid. I only found out later!

I didn’t have the jab last Autumn and wasn’t offered one this Spring. I may or may not have one in the Autumn.

At the start of the pandemic, I was deemed CEV (Clinically Extremely Vulnerable) due to an auto immune condition which was flaring badly and the immuno-suppressant drugs I had to take to try to control it. In May 2020, I was blue-lighted to hospital for emergency treatment. I was very frightened both because I was very ill indeed and knowing that the hospital was crammed with Covid patients. People were dying every day.

There were 46,687 deaths involving Covid between 1 March and 31 May 2020. Of those deaths, there was at least one pre-existing condition in 90.9% of cases. Covid was the most frequent underlying cause of death for deaths occurring in May 2020, with a fifth of all deaths (21.6%) being due to it. (Source: ONS)

I had a pre-existing condition and while I could protect myself at home, once in hospital, I thought I was bound to catch it and end up a statistic. I was scared.

I was put in a room on my own to give me better protection. I lay in bed looking up at the air conditioner unit in the ceiling wondering where the air was circulating from. I would go for a masked walk in the ward corridor to stretch my legs but was warned not to go far as there were Covid patients just beyond the double doors.

I didn’t catch it. After I was released, I continued to lock down hard. I was able to work from home but waited impatiently for vaccines to be developed so I could get back to my normal life.

I had the first one in early 2021 and the second six weeks later. Two weeks after that, I went out again socially masked and socially-distanced) for first time in 15 months. I live alone so my social life is important to me.

I retired from paid work that summer age 66 having already worked six years longer than I had planned (State Pension equalisation) but I also volunteer at weekends in indoor and outdoor public entertainment spaces which can get crowded.

Being immuno-compromised, it is vital that I protect myself as much as I can. I have had two jabs every year so that’s nine so far, last one in April. I have never had any side effects beyond a sore arm for a day or so. I take the advice that was given in the leaflets that were issued in early 2021. Take a paracetomol immediately after having the jab to counteract any other minor side effects. It works.

I consider the vaccines safe and effective. I have yet to catch Covid.

^ I hate reading GNs boasting about not being vaccinated.^ ^ oh the boasting^.

What a strange thing to say. Who on this thread is boasting about declining further vaccines? From my reading it's predominantly people who have already had several vaccines and simply don't wish any more, or those who had strange reactions or illnesses after it. I can't see anyone bragging.

escaped. A few posts above. "Never had one. Never will". And others further back which I will find after lunch.....if I it doesnt annoy me too much!!!!

escaped

^ I hate reading GNs boasting about not being vaccinated.^ ^ oh the boasting^.

What a strange thing to say. Who on this thread is boasting about declining further vaccines? From my reading it's predominantly people who have already had several vaccines and simply don't wish any more, or those who had strange reactions or illnesses after it. I can't see anyone bragging.

We obviously interpret posts differently because I agree with HelterSkelter.

escaped

I'm not sure about others, but I find it rather an insult to my intelligence when it is inferred that I haven't done research, or more importantly, spoken with a health professional. I make my decisions from that.
There's a difference between saying people in general who refuse the vaccine make blind decisions, and some people who decline after informing themselves.

I'm afraid the mention of "research" is a bit of a joke when it comes to conspiracy theories.

HelterSkelter1

escaped. A few posts above. "Never had one. Never will". And others further back which I will find after lunch.....if I it doesnt annoy me too much!!!!

👍 OK.
Enjoy your lunch. I've had mine, 34°C here, heatwave warning given, so I won't be held responsible for anything I write on here about any topic this afternoon.

Kazzerb66

No more for me. I had always been fit and healthy but since the last jab, my bloodpressure is very high and am now on medication and was rushed in to Hospital with atrial fibulation and now feel dreadful most days.

Coincidence is not causality! It is your choice not to have the vaccination, but it is not right to put others off because of the conclusion you have drawn without evidence!