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From Frail to Hale and Hearty

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Tizliz Thu 11-Dec-25 12:34:29

I have Parkinson's and there is no doubt I have lost weight. I am not hungry/can't be bothered.

My consultant gave me a sheet called From Frail to Hale and Hearty. It is the worst diet ever - apart from having no chocolate on it. Where are the fresh green veg, fruit etc.

It is all scotch eggs, pork pies, fried eggs etc. No water, must be at least tea with milk or juices, milk shakes.

I have enough trouble cooking and eating our usual foods - we try and make everything from scratch and grill not fry.

He also told my husband that it was more important for me to gain weight than for him to lose weight.

It also feels like too much pressure and stress which makes me less likely to eat.

Does anyone else have this problem?

MayBee70 Thu 11-Dec-25 18:36:47

I think I read that Parkinson’s can make you want to eat chocolate so maybe that’s why the diet advises against it. On my cholesterol lowering diet I’m treating myself to a few chunks of dark chocolate a day. I know that, going back a few years, when I lost my appetite because of illness, once I’d got over the ‘only wanting to eat toast’ phase the thing that I always fancied when I was on the mend were Birds Eye beefburgers.

Allira Thu 11-Dec-25 18:37:14

Well done, TizLiz!

Witzend Thu 11-Dec-25 18:43:10

Potatoes mashed with milk and lots of butter would tick the right boxes.

HelterSkelter1 Thu 11-Dec-25 19:54:34

Fortified milk is good. One pint of full fat milk with 4 tablespoons of Marvel dried milk..or similar...whisked in. And use this for all drinks. It provides 600 calories with plenty of protein.
Make custard with it and serve with fruit crumble plus cream on top.
Cheese and biscuits after your meal.
I followed the Macmillan build you up diet before I started chemo as I had lost a great deal of weighr.

Five smaller meals a day instead of 3 and have snacks in between. Good luck OP

CariadAgain Thu 11-Dec-25 20:52:41

Tizliz

Yes, small portions of favourite foods are much more palatable.
OH made mashed potatoes which I am sure was 50% potatoes to 50% butter and I ate a reasonable portion. I hate it when we eat late.

Think the bathroom scales should be hidden - despite efforts over last two days lost another pound. Though that could be due to lack of constipation (sorry too much info).

Thinking of those potatoes - I discovered years back that the Dutch do mayonnaise with chips. Yep....I thought that was nice.

Then there's the "cheesy chips" one can get in pubs here in Britain.

One could put a cheese sauce with a lot of things imo - speaking as a distinct fan of it....

butterandjam Thu 11-Dec-25 22:43:43

"It is all scotch eggs, pork pies, fried eggs etc"

That's just not true.

There are lots of good suggestions on that diet sheet please read before dismissing it.

<https://www.nhshighland.scot.nhs.uk/media/3nllhvqs/from-frail-to-hale-and-hearty.pdf>

For someone who can't face cooking, Scotch eggs and pork pies are easily available, ready-made foods that need no heating, can be kept in the fridge. Useful high calorie high protein food to put weight ON, for someone who can't cook or with a tiny appetite ; just take tiny portions.

Plenty of options on the list for anyone who wants to make fresh food from scratch.

fancythat Fri 12-Dec-25 09:31:28

A bit late returning to pos.
But M0nica, this poster has Parkinsons.
Nothing to do with self neglect or anything else.

fancythat Fri 12-Dec-25 10:06:50

post not pos

fancythat Fri 12-Dec-25 10:07:30

We also are not aware of what other health conditions this poster has.

Allira Fri 12-Dec-25 10:17:45

Tizliz

Yes, small portions of favourite foods are much more palatable.
OH made mashed potatoes which I am sure was 50% potatoes to 50% butter and I ate a reasonable portion. I hate it when we eat late.

Think the bathroom scales should be hidden - despite efforts over last two days lost another pound. Though that could be due to lack of constipation (sorry too much info).

😀
That did make me smile, TizLiz
I do remember someone saying at a Weightwatchers meeting (obviously the opposite problem to yours):
"Always make sure you go to the loo before you come to a Weightwatchers meeting!"

Lathyrus3 Fri 12-Dec-25 10:23:12

And blow your nose😬

Allira Fri 12-Dec-25 10:24:03

butterandjam

"It is all scotch eggs, pork pies, fried eggs etc"

That's just not true.

There are lots of good suggestions on that diet sheet please read before dismissing it.

<https://www.nhshighland.scot.nhs.uk/media/3nllhvqs/from-frail-to-hale-and-hearty.pdf>

For someone who can't face cooking, Scotch eggs and pork pies are easily available, ready-made foods that need no heating, can be kept in the fridge. Useful high calorie high protein food to put weight ON, for someone who can't cook or with a tiny appetite ; just take tiny portions.

Plenty of options on the list for anyone who wants to make fresh food from scratch.

The one DH was given (different area) sounded rather like the one Tiziz was given. I binned it.

I've just looked at an updated one and it recommends such delights as Cowboy Casserole (first catch your cowboy), Blueberry Bostock, Peanut Butter Crumble. 🤔

Allira Fri 12-Dec-25 10:29:54

My consultant gave me a sheet called From Frail to Hale and Hearty

The name of the diet sheet would be enough to make me want to rip it up and put it in his/her waste bin, especially having been diagnosed with something like Parkinson's or indeed anything else.

Crossstitchfan Fri 12-Dec-25 10:42:52

Lathyrus3

And blow your nose😬

At a Slimming club I used to go to, one of the ladies would take all her rings, earrings and bracelets off before weigh-in! We wondered why she bothered to put them on in the first place!

MadameP Fri 12-Dec-25 13:45:05

I don’t like using UPFs so make up shakes for my husband as he struggles to put on weight due to cancer. Milk plus milk powder, banana, ground flax seeds, cacao powder and half an avocado all whizzed up. Delicious, nutritious and calorific. He starts each day with one so he can take his drugs.

Polremy Fri 12-Dec-25 13:59:51

And cut your toenails.

Allira Fri 12-Dec-25 14:02:13

MadameP

I don’t like using UPFs so make up shakes for my husband as he struggles to put on weight due to cancer. Milk plus milk powder, banana, ground flax seeds, cacao powder and half an avocado all whizzed up. Delicious, nutritious and calorific. He starts each day with one so he can take his drugs.

Avocados are excellent, full of nutrients and high in calories too.

AuntieE Fri 12-Dec-25 14:04:23

If your husband cooks, leave it to him. You are more likely to want to eat, if you do not tire yourself cooking the food.

If he cannot cook, and cannot follow simply instructions or read a cookery book and you can afford it - have a main meal delivered to your home every day from one of the firms that cater to elderly or house-bound people.

Breakfast and a bite of supper cannot be beyond the powers of a capable adult.

You could ask for a referral to a clinical dietrician, and should do so, as there are many appetizing dishes you should be able to bear eating.

4allweknow Fri 12-Dec-25 14:11:27

Not only is your Dr recommending high calorie but high fat food with protein. Your weight loss will have negative actions on your physique and with Parkinsons you need to try to retain and maintain your muscle. I have a family member with disease and he eats a high high fat and protein diet with very little carbohydrate though not excluded. The diet recommended to you may not be your choice but if you have little and often hopefully you will grow to accept and like it. You should keep in mind what may be the alternative if you lose body muscle.Look after yourself.

Lemonred Fri 12-Dec-25 14:16:35

Use butter, full cream milk. The best of everything. A little good stuff, is better than so called ‘healthy options’ that often have additives. Ready meals, the premium sort, M & S particularly, are fine. My Mom had renal problems, and her consultant advised her thus. She kept a healthy weight, and constitution for years. We have recently been advised by my DH’s oncologist to take a few tips from Dr William Li, his book ‘Eat to Beat disease’, is our bible at the moment. All jolly sensible, and easy. He has a lot of YouTube videos too, so you can see if you agree with his opinion. Keep everything easy and simple to do, keep a stock of ready made things, soups etc. you are much more likely to eat then. I know that a lot of the time it just seems like too much bother. Hope you feel better soon. 💐

Essexgirl145 Fri 12-Dec-25 14:40:47

So I was on the right diet all the time. Had a Greggs sausage roll yesterday.

DeeAitch56 Fri 12-Dec-25 14:50:12

I have a friend with the same issue, his consultant prescribed him some kind of protein(?) drink as a supplement to gain weight with, it might be worth a chat with your doctor about trying some of these

Tizliz Fri 12-Dec-25 14:57:29

AuntieE

If your husband cooks, leave it to him. You are more likely to want to eat, if you do not tire yourself cooking the food.

If he cannot cook, and cannot follow simply instructions or read a cookery book and you can afford it - have a main meal delivered to your home every day from one of the firms that cater to elderly or house-bound people.

Breakfast and a bite of supper cannot be beyond the powers of a capable adult.

You could ask for a referral to a clinical dietrician, and should do so, as there are many appetizing dishes you should be able to bear eating.

He is not bad. It is cooking day. He started with two beef joints and has made a cottage pie for friends coming to dinner and the rest is bol. sauce. Then (with a little help) he is making lemon curd roulade.

Shel1951 Fri 12-Dec-25 15:02:21

My brother had Parkinsons, he had a normal diet but ate a lot of cakes and biscuits with his tea.
At the moment my dh is trying to put weight on due to health issues which made him very frail.
I cook deserts which wasn't something we had after dinner.
This is a recipe I use. 6 minutes in the microwave...
2 eggs,
120 gr s.r flour
120 butter or marg
120 sugar
Mixed .
For chocolate pudding add 1 and a half heaped tablespoon cocoa powder .
Or put jam on treacle on the plain pudding when cooked.
All served with custard.
Easy.simple

Allira Fri 12-Dec-25 15:05:18

Tizliz

AuntieE

If your husband cooks, leave it to him. You are more likely to want to eat, if you do not tire yourself cooking the food.

If he cannot cook, and cannot follow simply instructions or read a cookery book and you can afford it - have a main meal delivered to your home every day from one of the firms that cater to elderly or house-bound people.

Breakfast and a bite of supper cannot be beyond the powers of a capable adult.

You could ask for a referral to a clinical dietrician, and should do so, as there are many appetizing dishes you should be able to bear eating.

He is not bad. It is cooking day. He started with two beef joints and has made a cottage pie for friends coming to dinner and the rest is bol. sauce. Then (with a little help) he is making lemon curd roulade.

Then (with a little help) he is making lemon curd roulade
I'd say that was pretty good!