Arguments for puberty blockers

Oh, you meant the side effects of puberty blockers, not of early puberty.

Sorry, totally got the wrong end of the stick there😳

Legalised child abuse, legalised experiments!

theworriedwell

M0nica

the worriedweall There are hundreds of dangerous substances that are given to people because they can help cure a greater evil - which is their illness. Thatis why many pople are constantly having there medications montored, regular blood tests and all the rest.

Puberty blockers are just part of this range. Dangerous and unsuitable for children, except when they have a medical condition, the effects of which are far worse than the potential bad side efects of the medication.

So what are the bad side effects?

read this link www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075

I’ve listed the main ones above, worriedwell, and you can easily find them on Google too.

M0nica

*the worriedweall* There are hundreds of dangerous substances that are given to people because they can help cure a greater evil - which is their illness. Thatis why many pople are constantly having there medications montored, regular blood tests and all the rest.

Puberty blockers are just part of this range. Dangerous and unsuitable for children, except when they have a medical condition, the effects of which are far worse than the potential bad side efects of the medication.

So what are the bad side effects?

the worriedweall There are hundreds of dangerous substances that are given to people because they can help cure a greater evil - which is their illness. Thatis why many pople are constantly having there medications montored, regular blood tests and all the rest.

Puberty blockers are just part of this range. Dangerous and unsuitable for children, except when they have a medical condition, the effects of which are far worse than the potential bad side efects of the medication.

theworriedwell

If puberty blockers are so harmful why are they given to children with precocious puberty? Are they harmed? Would precocious puberty cause worse problems?

I haven't heard this discussed/explained.

Early puberty (before the age of 8) leads to lifelong medical consequences. Increased of breast and reproductive organ cancers, diabetes, cardiovascular problems, bone growth and also the emotional, psychological effects of having to deal with early sexuality. Not just menstruation or ejaculation but the urges that a child of five or six cannot possibly understand.

When I worked with children I did once have a little boy of 5 in my care who was already on puberty blockers. Then, as now, not much was known about long term effects, but in his case it was, I think, the lesser of two evils.

Wes Streeting will have listened to a range of different views and formed his opinion from what he has heard. I think the fact that he is, like many of us, inherently opposed to giving beta blockers to children, this will not have been an easy decision for him. He may not have "young children" but it's unreasonable to expect government ministers to have experience of everything that relates to the decisions he has to make in his role.

Galaxy

Yes as I was writing I thought about plastic surgery and the damage it can do. But fir other body dysphoria issues we don't do this, we don't tell anorexics they are fat, we dont cut off healthy limbs, or at least I hope we don't.

I remember not understanding people talking about people going to extreme levels with plastic surgery, sure there was the odd extreme like "the bride of Wildenstein" I think she was called something like that. Now I see so many women with huge lips, puffed out cheeks, eye shape changed and I do think it is verging on self harm. Of course doctors are doing these things.

If puberty blockers are so harmful why are they given to children with precocious puberty? Are they harmed? Would precocious puberty cause worse problems?

I haven't heard this discussed/explained.

I heard Wes Streeting discussing his reasons for reluctantly accepting medical advice on the use of puberty blockers, but I don't think he has much experience of young children and their ability to make considered decisions which will impact their future development.
I am totally opposed to them being given at such a young age, for whatever reason.

Galaxy

I am so sorry Luckygirl, I hope you have some support as well, it is such a mess.

Thank you. It is also so hard for their parents, my DD and her OH.

I'm a bit conflicted, I think the Tavistock clinic was wrong to prescribe puberty blockers when there had been insufficient research into their use. However, I can't help thinking that there may be some who might be helped by their judicious use but without proper research we'll never know. There is to be a research trial. I understand that Streeting is not pro the use of puberty blockers but has reluctantly agreed to the trial so that decisions can be made on the basis of proper evidence. Tbh I think that's where I am.

Rosie51, we must agree to differ.

M0nica

Rosie51

Not quite the same though M0nica. The surgeon deliberately damaged his own legs making amputation necessary, he didn't have healthy legs amputated.

But he had healthy limbs that he chose to damage in order to get them amputated. if he could have got healthy limbs amputated, he would not have damaged them first.

Oh I agree I'm sure he would. The point I was making is that he couldn't get his healthy legs amputated so he damaged them badly enough to force amputation. Not the same as young women having their perfectly healthy breasts removed.

Rosie51

Not quite the same though M0nica. The surgeon deliberately damaged his own legs making amputation necessary, he didn't have healthy legs amputated.

But he had healthy limbs that he chose to damage in order to get them amputated. if he could have got healthy limbs amputated, he would not have damaged them first.

I absolutely recognise that some people have problems over their sexual identity but there has to be a better way of helping them to live happy lives; and a way that does not commit very young children to "treatments" that they cannot draw back from when they are far too young to decide.

Yes, this absolutely.

I am so sorry Luckygirl, I hope you have some support as well, it is such a mess.

The realities of all this are horrifying frankly.

Taking puberty blockers messes up children's bodies for the whole of the rest of their lives and affects their fertility when they are far too young to know whether as an adult they might want to reproduce.

Subsequently taking hormones to progress down this route profoundly affects all their body systems: heart, bones etc. And they are not easily reversible. And do not do the trick completely - e.g. men have squarer jaws, bigger hands etc, and no amount of oestrogen gets rid of that.

And the surgery is appalling - a young male friend of mine transitioned via surgery - his penis was scooped out and the resulting skin turned inside out and inserted to form a "vagina" which heals over unless he (now "she") regularly inserts plastic stretchers to keep it open; his balls were removed - it is grotesque and desperately painful and he nearly died from the blood loss.

This is the road we are setting children off on when we give them puberty blockers. It is not just something to keep them childlike for now - it is a lifelong road.

My DGC is on testosterone and looks awful - they look like an old man with acne when in fact they are a beautiful young woman - and top surgery is on the way. While they are sure that this is what they want they are far too young to take these life-changing decisions.

So much of it is led by social pressure - it gives them a tribe to belong to - they join the queer community and have something to fight for. It's not about sex at all. Social media has fuelled the fire; and there are surgeons making millions out of this mutilation.

I absolutely recognise that some people have problems over their sexual identity but there has to be a better way of helping them to live happy lives; and a way that does not commit very young children to "treatments" that they cannot draw back from when they are far too young to decide.

Oh yeah I saw that a while ago it isn't standard medical practice.

Not quite the same though M0nica. The surgeon deliberately damaged his own legs making amputation necessary, he didn't have healthy legs amputated.

Galaxy

Yes as I was writing I thought about plastic surgery and the damage it can do. But fir other body dysphoria issues we don't do this, we don't tell anorexics they are fat, we dont cut off healthy limbs, or at least I hope we don't.

Sorry Galaxy but www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yvpx20le2o

No Galaxy - but if someone won't go out and has terrible mental health because of their nose, breasts, eyebrows, teeth, whatever then we DO operate.
This is dictated by the way people see themselves.

Being anorexic is actually dangerous and not the same as hating your nose to distraction.

Yes as I was writing I thought about plastic surgery and the damage it can do. But fir other body dysphoria issues we don't do this, we don't tell anorexics they are fat, we dont cut off healthy limbs, or at least I hope we don't.

Follow the money, yes - but also look at who benefits from changes that allow men in female spaces, whether physical, such as changing rooms or cultural, such as Arts prizes and grants, renders statistics and research into sex-based areas such as 'gender gaps' in salaries and differentials in access to pensions meaningless (and much more).

Clue - it is not women.