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Wyllow3 Thu 01-Jan-26 15:19:00

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*Welcome to Black Dogs 28*:

Its supporting those of us who wish to talk about our mental health problems quite deeply at times: and share aspects of our lives supportively, give and take support.

All are welcome: don't be put off by some of us being there long term, people do come and go.

Sweetpeasue Sat 07-Mar-26 22:54:36

Doodle Have had text from cousin and aunt is expected to come home Wednesday.
Hope you enjoy church tomorrow.
You sound so low . Im so sorry. Much love.
HVDY Must be so exciting to watch your camera. You are helping wild animals which I think is really kind .
My aunt has been allotted carers 3 times a day when shes home, which my cousin says will be Wednesday.

DH has been quite good today. Obvs not back to himself 2 yrs ago, but Im trying to believe he'll be better as weeks go on.

HowVeryDareYou2 Sat 07-Mar-26 21:28:39

SweetpeaSue I can hardly believe that my sons are now 42 and almost 45. It's good that your DIL's mum will be close by. I hope she'll be well cared for in the home. Your aunt will have been ( or should be) assigned a Social Worker as she lives alone, and I expect a care package will be put in place before she's discharged.

Doodle Cold roasted veg doesn't sound very appetising. My diet wasn't good yesterday (picnic then Indian), nor will it be tomorrow, but I'll be strict from Monday onwards. Just bought 3 swimsuits, so I'll need to be able to wear them on holiday in May. Enjoy your lunch and company at church tomorrow.

Just watching the fox - it's under the trampoline, eating some eggs (eggs, 1/2 a block of cheese, a tin of luncheon meat tonight). I'd love to leave it with better food, but don't want to attract any cats. Hope everyone has a peaceful night x

Doodle Sat 07-Mar-26 20:34:17

Ellie Anne it sounds like your Dh has no empathy. No understanding of how you might be feeling. Is he this way with everyone ?
Wyllow the silence in your meetings sounds good. I like quiet prayer in church.
Jigsaw is coming along well thanks to my friend. We had a bike like that but hardly ever used it. Just another bit of exercise kit we’ve had over the years. I expect you will make good use of yours.
HVDY I had cold roasted veg at the hospice today but usually I have a toasted tea cake. You are doing so well with your diet. Your calorie intake is quite low. Good it’s working though.
Tales of Jaffa make me laugh
Sweetpeasue hope your son’s MIl is comfortable in the care home. How nice it’s so near and you can all go and visit.
Like you I doubt they’d send your aunt home till Monday. I expect the spell in hospital will have made her more confused
Scaredycat I hope you’re having a relaxing weekend. I was planning a walk but it was actually quite chilly. Church for me tomorrow. We have another lent lunch so soup cheese and bread shared together which is nice. Good to have some company...

Sweetpeasue Sat 07-Mar-26 15:43:06

Wyllow Sorry-- 'comically' not meant but 'complicated'

Sweetpeasue Sat 07-Mar-26 15:41:21

Scaredycat I seem to remember that during the Covid yrs you were quite unwell( before I came on here) . Its a good thing for you to put a little weight on. The AF must have been quite a nasty shock when it first appeared. All credit to you that you deal with it so well.
Im glad you have a mutual friend that you can talk to about your poorly friend and you can talk to her- makes all the difference when it all seems overwhelming.
Doodle Hope you enjoyed your lunch at the hospice today and a good chat with friends. Ive never been patient enough to do jigsaws, except the Paw Patrol ones that DGS and I did yrs ago.
I dont think I do more walking than yourself really but its hard to summon up willpower , denying yourself 'treats' when your mood is low. I shouldn't make excuses really ,its all my fault Ive put weight on. The more I put on the bigger the problem seems. I have a sweet tooth too.
* HVDY * That night of sweating must be the virus you have . Glad you managed to get out with son yesterday. It will be my youngest son's birthday soon. Can hardly believe where all those yrs went when you look at them with families of their own. Hope weather's nice for Clumber tomorrow.
EllieAnne Glad you got the antibiotics so hope the course will be enough. Dont worry about coming here to pour things out , we all do the same at times and it must be so hard for you. Hope you get the UTube of your DGD skating.
Wyllow Your exercise bike looks very much like mine. Not been for a walk today so Im going to do some pedalling after this post( if I say this now, I'll have to) It's not the same as being with others though is it.
Those Quaker periods of silence sound a little like the prayer meetings at a pentecostal church I went to many yrs ago. Sometimes people felt moved by the Holy Spirit to say something . I wonder do Quakers feel the inspiration comes from within- oneself- or a universal higher God? Guessing that's too much a loaded question so ignore if it's too comically to explain here.
Hope youve been OK today.
* Nadateturbe* Hope you are coping and managing OK.x

Son's DMIL been moved to newly built Care Home, which is conveniently in our own village, yesterday, only a mile away from son's and less from ourselves. Son and DIL came here today and we're going with them to see her tomorrow.
I'm worried about aunt still being in hospital. Her DD only texted me yesterday and she was expected to come out. Its weekend now so guessing that wont happen now. Will text her later. Aunt has been more confused than ever apparently. Just dont want her to forget us- dont think shes like that yet but things can happen. Quickly when theyre in unfamiliar surroundings. I'll text her DD later.
Such sadness around my heart feels heavy but good communications building with DIL .

Love to all., and those not in.

HowVeryDareYou2 Sat 07-Mar-26 14:21:34

Dull weather but dry here. Glad you're feeling brighter, EllieAnne. Don't overdo it. We all need to get things off our chest, and this is a good place for that. Your grandkids well. Hope she has a nice birthday. They like all the skincare and cosmetics at a young age now, Don't they. One of ours is 11 and uses face masks and eye cream grin.

Hope everyone is ok. Lazy day today, seeing all the family tomorrow at Clumber Park. x

EllieAnne Sat 07-Mar-26 13:14:04

Lovely day here .
Feeling a bit better so I managed to tidy out the shed and am taking some stuff to the dump later. We have to book a slot can’t just turn up.
Cough still sore and only got 3 days antibiotics so I don’t know if it’s enough.
Thank you all for putting up with my rant.
Dgd was only 5th but went to Meadowhall shopping centre afterwards with her birthday money so I expect she enjoyed that. She is 13 tomorrow and very into beauty and skin products!

HowVeryDareYou2 Sat 07-Mar-26 08:57:34

ScaredyCat Jaffa wakes up every time I go to the loo, then keeps pushing my hand with his head, for me to stroke him. It's worse than having a baby grin. I don't like parking but have a blue badge, which makes it easier at times. Have you got any plans today?

Doodle I'm not 100% but getting there. What did you have for lunch at the hospice? Are you doing anything this weekend?

EllieAnne Glad you saw the GP alright. Hope the antibiotics work soon. I think I would have felt a lot better by now if I'd had some. I carry on doing jobs even when I don't feel well, but DH then assumes I feel ok and he leaves me to it. Perhaps that's the same in your house?

Wyllow3 I assume my bad night was due to this throat/ear thing, although I've been having some nightmares (as I do when not feeling well). I'm glad your nephew was able to sort out your exercise bike. It looks like a good one.

nadateurbe Hope you're getting on ok.

It was a very cold, but lovely day, yesterday. Farm park with Son2 etc., gave him his presents (Taylor's port and Hotel Chocolat chocs), saw all the various animals - including wallabies, porcupines and armadillos-, had a picnic (indoors), then went home. Back to Son2's for an Indian takeaway at 6, then home for 9. Foxy and a hedgehog came at 9.30. x

Wyllow3 Fri 06-Mar-26 22:01:14

"but robust" not by robust.

Wyllow3 Fri 06-Mar-26 22:00:42

Sort of light weight by robust - v comfy seat.

Wyllow3 Fri 06-Mar-26 21:57:44

I’m really glad you did go to the doctor and get some antibiotics, Ellie Anne and hope they pick you up a bit. I hope you get a U tube link soon to see the skating.

I think you’ve observed something insightful when you say, “I think I’m too hurt inside to ask him to do things”.
It’s possible asking him to do a little may remind you of all that you don’t have….on the other hand, you doing everything just breeds resentment.

It’s a tough choice ahead. xx PS - this is just the place for a rant. Look at me at times.

(That dynamic was happening to some extent in my first marriage. I had to do all the planning and management in the home - except, he was absolutely great with our son, just great, and continued to be. I mean helped him get on wit his profession and so on and he goes up and helps with family in holidays, he is the only grandparent with energy to do this. But he has changed

But when I got really, really ill with depression, as in suicide attempts - he withdrew - he was also working full time and wanting badly to get on wit his career as a late starter - he just simply couldn’t cope. No emotional support. (It was his childhood) I carried on managing house things.

But he did feel also great strain holding it all inside and it was a relief when we split, it was my doing,

but we had enough money and he was still working to manage this. But he’s also done therapy and stuff, he realised something was missing in him.

But I guess - well, however difficult, I have ended relationships in the past: although afraid of being alone, I have chosen that over other unbearable feelings.

Scaredycat its a great great sad strain with your friend, for she cant change matters of her own illness or her husbands condition (has he got dementia, or is it end of life matters?). and you cant do what one wants to do, to “make things better” in some way, but the only help is to listen and share sorrow, which is very hard (and I’m glad there is another friend). Well, cat hairs - sheer elegance, the very latest…😉

Do you know why you had a bad night, HVDY? I can actually understand a good day following - it’s something inside that demands we make good on it, or something.
I hope you had a lovely day.

I’m glad you had a fresh air time out today, Doodle. How long do you walk for? Where do you walk?

Yes, we have long silences where no one says anything. Deciding to talk is up to someone feeling called to do so.
Its all explained to new people, but people who come, have tended to come because they want what we call “a gathered meeting”, a precious silence, where you do not feel alone - yes really, where speech is unnecessary.

If people (new or just rabbiting on people) keep on speaking out or for a long time or inappropriately then they will be approached to be brief or to consider whether what they have been saying is really a spiritual call by an experienced Quaker, meetings are run by a very small group who might be “elders” (appointed by consent for 2/3 years only). I know I have had problems but you dont generally get bitchiness or nastiness or power grabbing - people like that get bored.

Ah, you are being very good with the jigsaw. How is it going? I hope going to the hospice is rewarding.

I also had a bad night, dont know why - today need up with actually being a very productive getting on with things day - nephew came to set up my exercise bike, its actually perfect for purpose: my car was taken in for the day - I did washes and wrote some really important emails including the one to psychiatrist saying I couldnt tolerate this weight gain any more if it kept going up, sorted some stuff out for going away, generally caught up.

Except for the washing up 🤣

Love and thoughts for those not in today or just reading.

EllieAnne Fri 06-Mar-26 20:39:00

Yes he would do more if I asked him. He usually empties the dishwasher and does the ironing- it’s mostly his anyway I hardly iron my stuff. I think I’m too hurt inside to ask him to do things. That’s about a month I’ve been unwell and he has not once commented on it. Even though I’ve been going to bed early and constantly coughing. Eventually you just switch off.

Doodle Fri 06-Mar-26 19:54:23

Ellie Anne I’m pleased you got to see the doctor you don’t sound at all well. Hope the antibiotics kick in over the weekend and you start to feel better. Perhaps your Dhwould help more if you asked him to do things. Lots of men don’t do anything unless asked.
Scardycat I’m glad you have another friend to visit your mutual friend with. Poor lady. Not surprised it’s upsetting
you. Been out with walking group today. They’re a nice but mixed bunch. Nice to chat with different people.
Wyllow thank you for the explanation. Quakers I know nothing about really. How do you decide who gets to talk? Do you have long silences where no one says anything?
HVDY you don’t sound well either. Having to change your bed in the middle of the night is no fun. You must be tired.
I have tinnitus all the time too. Like you for years. After Dh died, I was so stressed it was deafening every morning. I couldn’t think because of the noise. It’s more manageable now.
Sweetpeasue I think we weigh about the same probably, it’s no easy to lose weight is it. You do more walking than me though but I have been for another long walk this morning. I’ve been doing better this week.
Going to hospice for lunch tomorrow then more jigsaw I expect.

EllieAnne Fri 06-Mar-26 16:46:45

Phoned dr this afternoon and was told I could have an appointment if I could get there in 15 minutes. Just about managed it but dr was running late anyway. Chest and heart ok but she’s given me antibiotics and if no better after them she will send me for an X-ray. Hope they work.

Scaredycat Fri 06-Mar-26 16:33:48

Hi all
SweetPeaSue- being very active until the AF became 24/7 helped keep me slim - that and being very ill a few years ago.Now I have put on a bit but I needed to really.
Good idea to sell your dress and then you could get a new one on Vinted for the Summer.
I,m finding it hard to stop thinking about my friend it is so overwhelmingly awful. There is another friend - we are 3- who visits with me sometimes and does lifts etc so can share our fears together.
Doodle- that description doesn’t fit me!!! Never been elegant or dainty- more comfy and casual and now covered in cat hairs!!
I,m glad you have kind understanding friends . You are such a nice person they are lucky to have you too.
HVDY- I,d hate not to drive but now I do get nervous about new places and parking when I get there.
LG will probably always be called the baby. GD3 is 30 now but I still think of her as the baby in my DD family.😀
I think a lot of men have to be asked to do things - mine certainly does .
It’s unbelievable you can do all that after waking in the night and then go to sleep again- did Jaffa wake up too.
Hope you’re all having a lovely day together at the farm,park.
Ellie Anne- You need a rest- you sound so unwell. Try putting yourself first for once. Show DH where the kitchen is if he’s hungry and give yourself a break.
Hope DGD 2 does well in her skating today .
Willow- So true - life is too short for sure to sweat the small stuff. It wasn’t a small thing for you I know but you seem to be coming to a much more positive way of looking at things.
Your time is precious and you have much to look forward to. Time with family, walking in your hills,meeting new friends and you have your Quaker faith and companionship to nourish you.
Nadateturbe- as always thinking of you .
Love to allxx

HowVeryDareYou2 Fri 06-Mar-26 10:26:19

EllieAnne You had a rotten day yesterday. Just a thought, but would your husband help with things if you asked him to? My husband only ever does anything in the house/garden if asked to. He'd happily sit and do nothing whatsoever if not prompted. Perhaps you could leave him a list of chores he could do? I generally ask my husband if he'd like to load the dishwasher or fold clean washing (he frequently says "neither"). I hope you soon feel better.

Wyllow3 You're right when you say that life is too short - I hope this situation with MrA can be resolved to your satisfaction very soon. Then, you'll be able to concentrate on other things in life - seeing your family, for one.

I was up at 3.30, drenched in sweat - horrible, and changed my bed, had a shower and went back to sleep until 7. Off out now to meet Son2 and his family at the farm park (taking picnic food between us, as there's an indoor place for sitting and eating. Hope everyone has a decent day x

EllieAnne Fri 06-Mar-26 08:11:38

Wyllow I suppose it’s just habit and also he is watching the chase while I make it so I have peace in the kitchen for an hour.
But if I told him to get his own food he would.
Dgd 2 is skating in Sheffield this morning. Her mum usually sends me the you tube link but hasn’t today so I’ll need to wait to find out how she gets on.
Sorry for the long rant yesterday but it was a difficult day.

Wyllow3 Fri 06-Mar-26 00:15:02

I checked out what I had written with my sister when I woke up and I hadn’t said anything Terribly Bad Sweetpeasue at all but I had convinced myself because my thoughts haven’t been so gentle at all.

I had a good gym - cleaner came and had a good natter as well as clearing up for me after the chimney men and then I rung my sister for an hour and that was helpful re trying to leave it all behind and park it up while Safeguarding decide what to do with MrA. D - well it will need time and her not trying to manipulate on behalf of MrA at all.

I’ll get there cos I need to, life is too short, I’ve lost too much of it over 24 years (when I brokedonw and started long bouts of very severe MH stuff)

I want to get weller physically and mentally, I want to see my family more since that was taken from me at Christmas and subsequently, time spent making sure MrA was called to account.

Fretting over time lost by the whole episode is just more time lost

I quite like having my teeth cleaned, it feels so nice after. I hope DH was well. Were you very close to your Mum Sweetpeasue? You are so right about the end of the dreary days. They seemed to go forever. The sun does make a difference,

Unless one is very, very low, when it doesnt and recall that too - looking out from behind of a pane of glass at others in the sun.

Your garden sounds more manageable than mine, I made it very fancy with Ex and its very big.

It sound like your ears are a little bit better, HVDY. I think it will take some time for the grass to dry out. I’m glad you got out at last for lunch with DH.

Your poor friend, Scaredycat. It sounds like the gentle chat was just right for her though. And more to go through (I had to look up immunotherapy)
You must have driven a lot on “the wrong side of the road” I wouldn’t ever try that now.

Yes, I drove abroad a lot when in my 40’s. It seemed like - nothing!
I rarely wear anything than Sketchers. With dresses too.
And always waists with at least some elastic in. You’re a good weight for less knee pressure.

It matters totally that some people really understand, Doodle…..your reality is accepted, cared about, thats only possible with real empathy.

I often jot down if I am considering saying something at Quakers to be clear in my mind but ministry is basically when you feel Called to do so in the one hour silence.

A group in silent worship is very powerful, one finds thoughts calm and focus and often healing.

On the table in the middle of our circle are the bible, texts from other faiths, our Quaker book “Quaker Faith and Practice” which is a collection of writings going back to the 1600’s and revised every 30 years or so, due soon, to reflect changing times.

People may read out passages from these books that have jumped into their minds, a recalled poem, a personal experience, a piece of music recalled, that has relevance to the many not just them, or be thinking about something and half a so pick up the bible or F and P - I draw on TS Eliots “The Four Quartets” a great deal.
After an hour there is a little time to say anything that didnt reach the “Called upon” stage then we have chat and coffee.

Ellie Anne I am sorry to find you in such a dark place. That is one major hassle all the day. But my dear, why oo earth, if you pare poorly, are you cooking his dinner? I am not criticising you in the slightest, women have been doing this for centuries as its sort of been “our job” - but surely you needed to go to bed with a sandwich and soup and he could cook or get a sandwich for himself? Xxxxxx

I’m nearing that weight Sweetpeasue but carry it OK with broad shoulders and exercise and being 5’5.5”- but I can only lose weight by reducing my meds, and not well enough to do so, and its a bitter vicious circle, as I used to weigh 8.5 stone or 9 max. I have a just good enough body mass index due to the exercise I do.

Sweetpeasue Thu 05-Mar-26 22:32:40

EllieAnne I dont know what I weigh right now either. It was 11 stone 2 mths ago, but I think/ dread, it might be more now. I need to pluck up courage to get on scales.

EllieAnne Thu 05-Mar-26 21:34:57

Oh and I’m 5ft2 and a lot more than 8 1/2 stone but I don’t weigh myself

Sweetpeasue Thu 05-Mar-26 21:17:26

EllieAnne You sound really quite poorly - do you think you might need antibiotics. Honestly , your post about doing everything on your own made me quite angry. Do look after yourself first and let your husband fend for himself .Sending a hug and hope you feel a little better tomorrow.

EllieAnne Thu 05-Mar-26 20:59:31

Feeling quite rough. Cough has come back with a vengeance and I ve done something to my bad with all the coughing. Going to bed with a hot drink and some paracetamol. Went to my sons today an hours drive to drop off Dgd birthday present. Hit a pothole on the way over so I got ds to check my tyres and he found a bulge in one. So I stopped off on the way home to get a new tyre. Then had to fill up my windscreen washers.
I’ve had 2 trips to the garage in the next town because he put his car in for something and won’t make his own way there or back . There was nothing wrong with the car.
So I’m coughing al day , running after Dh, sorting out my car and he doesn’t offer a bit of help with anything. Hasn’t even commented about me being unwell. And I cooked his dinner!
Sorry I sound a terrible moan . I’m just tired and sore.

HowVeryDareYou2 Thu 05-Mar-26 20:30:09

Scaredycat Yes, I've had Tinitus 24/7 for 18 years now, so I'm used to it. You did a lot of driving! I like the convenience of being able to go to places, but don't like driving at all now. You're tiny! I should be that type of weight, but it's never going to happen! I weighed 8.5st up to being about 18, then was 9.5st before and after having my sons. What have you been up to today?

SweetpeaSue Vinted is good for selling things, but quite often, people want them for next to nothing - I've sold some dresses for £5, to get them out of the way. A special wedding outfit would fetch more money. I didn't even think for a minute about the leg hair-pulling being anything but teasing. You worry too much smile.

Doodle LG seems to have grown up all of a sudden. We still refer to her as "the baby". She's got a round, chubby baby face (so has her mum, actually). Wear whatever you're comfortable in - I do. I see some enormous women wearing leggings and jeans, which don't look good. I try to wear things that flatter my shape (and my decent legs).

Very tired this evening. Foxy has been turning up at 9.30, so I've just put his/her food out, and I'll be going to bed ina hour x

Doodle Thu 05-Mar-26 20:07:55

Evening all.
Scaredycat I’m so sorry for your friend. She must wonder how her life has suddenly come down to this. What a lot she has to cope with. I expect a quiet chat with you was comforting.
Ooh I bet you look lovely and dainty and elegant. Wish I was 2 stone lighter and I could wear something floaty.
HvDY wow you’re doing well with vinted. Our DIL sells with them and enjoys watching for news of sales. Sorry about your ears. Sounds quite painful. That is low calorie. I need to get lower intake to lose weight,. I can’t believe that is LG. How did she get so big. She looks lovely.
Sweetpeasue I am fortunate in having some friends who understand very well what it’s like. It does help. I have lots of other friends who aren’t on their own but are sympathetic and kind. I’m very lucky with them. Yes I’m the little one on the family too. Everyone is bigger than me.
Wyllow hope your chimney and roof get sorted ok. So pleased you stuck to your guns and had 3 good replies from others, when you go to Quakers, do you write down what you want people to know or do you say it out loud. Sorry I don’t know much about Quakers. I thought everyone sat in silence.

Sweetpeasue Thu 05-Mar-26 19:39:24

HVDY Selling things on Vinted sounds good. Not sure about how to do that but could ask son . Ive a dress I wore to son1's wedding but never wore again.
We have a very small front lawn and a larger one at back with a border at fence side. Glad your ears dont hurt but the muffled hearing must be a nuisance.
BTW, hope the 'pulling leg hairs' thing didnt sound abusive- it was always done in fun and not that often! ( not sure how things can come over 🫣)
Scaredycat You are really tiny at too at 5ft 2" you do so well at keeping weight down. I feel so sorry for your friend - having to go through so much. It must be awful to witness her in such a sad frightened state. She will so appreciate you being by her side through all of this.
You used to drive back n fore to Europe! They are v long drives.

NadateturbeEllieAnne Hope you are both OK. x

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