Shame on you, Scottish Parliament

I am totally conflicted on this. From what I have read, the proposed bill is not watertight enough, nor flexible enough.

Something I read a couple of days ago, which concerns me far more, is legalising terminations over the current 24 weeks, when the foetus (baby) is viable. Apparently, this is to be included in the proposed Bill. Please correct me if I am way off base here.

dalrymple23

I am totally conflicted on this. From what I have read, the proposed bill is not watertight enough, nor flexible enough.

Something I read a couple of days ago, which concerns me far more, is legalising terminations over the current 24 weeks, when the foetus (baby) is viable. Apparently, this is to be included in the proposed Bill. Please correct me if I am way off base here.

An Expert Group has reported to the Scottish Government on prospective changes to the Abortion Act. It's completely separate from the Right to Die bill. I think if it's to be discussed it should be a separate thread.

OMG I hope you are off base dalrymple. 24 weeks is already too late as babies can survive despite being born so premature.

I disagree Oreo as IMO it's relevant. Voting against the assisted dying bill takes away the right for someone with a terminal illness with a maximum of 6 months to live, to choose when and how they die and yet legislation already allows for the termination of an otherwise viable baby at 24 weeks which with the right care, can survive and this may be extended!!!

Do you mean me Smileless?

Here's a link to the Expert Report, in case you haven't read it
4. The current law on abortion in Scotland: An Overview - Review of Abortion Law in Scotland Expert Group: report - gov.scot share.google/PVTYmW2d0vx3EvLks

Thanks for the link OldFrill.

I also would like to be able to sign a document saying in the event of dementia I would like to opt in to assisted dying. I've seen 2 people, one being a dear sister and another a friend both living with and one dying after years of dementia. It's a cruel disease. And a recent poll stated that a very high percentage of people feared dementia more than cancer. At least there's hope with cancer. I dread getting it but then having no say in whether I would have preferred assisted dying.

Cossy

It should be up to each individual to choose when, where and how they die, under strict conditions

Exactly so!

Smileless2012

I agree MayBee. Access to good palliative care isn't available to everyone due to a lack of funding, so no one can be sure there will be a bed available in a hospice until the time comes.

The Assisted Dying Bill takes away the fear that many with a terminal diagnosis have of the nature of their death and whether or not they actually go through with it, just knowing that they can if they want too, can bring some peace.

You do know the Assisted Dying Bill (England and Wales) has never happened and it about to run out of time?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckglr3dvne0o

"The MP who introduced a bill looking to legalise assisted dying has labelled the delay in bringing in the legislation as "undemocratic".

Last year MPs voted by a majority of 55 to allow terminally ill adults in England and Wales expected to die within six months to seek help to end their own life.

However, it has since stalled in the House of Lords and is now unlikely to pass.

"Supporters now believe it is "effectively impossible" for the bill to legalise assisted dying in England and Wales to pass before the end of this session, expected in May.

This is largely because more than 1,200 amendments have been tabled in the House of Lords, principally from opponents to the legislation.

With only three of 14 days of debate in the Lords remaining, around half of the amendments are yet to be discussed."

Back to square one.

And yet Scotland have voted to end greyhound racing. Which is easy to do because there isn’t actually a dog racing track in Scotland. So it sounds good but means nothing. And, whatever ones view of greyhound racing when dogs are sick and in pain they are pts painlessly.

It's a very disappointing result. We wouldn't let an animal suffer the way human beings do.

Yes I do know that butterandjam; thanks for the link.

MayBee70

And yet Scotland have voted to end greyhound racing. Which is easy to do because there isn’t actually a dog racing track in Scotland. So it sounds good but means nothing. And, whatever ones view of greyhound racing when dogs are sick and in pain they are pts painlessly.

And yet Scotland have voted to end greyhound racing. Which is easy to do because there isn’t actually a dog racing track in Scotland. So it sounds good but means nothing.

Maybee 😁

I was hoping they would bring it in in Wales.Easier than going to Switzerland.
But I understand people have concerns over this

dalrymple23

I am totally conflicted on this. From what I have read, the proposed bill is not watertight enough, nor flexible enough.

Something I read a couple of days ago, which concerns me far more, is legalising terminations over the current 24 weeks, when the foetus (baby) is viable. Apparently, this is to be included in the proposed Bill. Please correct me if I am way off base here.

You are off base and have misunderstood the new legislation,

I agree, this should go to a different thread so that those who don't want to tal;k about abortion can avoid it.

I am glad the bill is not succeeding. I didn't chose when to be born and don't think I should choose when to get someone else to help me die.

I would hate to put that responsibility on someone else's shoulders.

Why should have a right to choose- I see this as very selfish really?

What many have said about better palliative care I agree with- no one should suffer to the extent that they want someone else to help them die.

The bill was badly thought out and badly conceived.

Delighted with the Scottish good sense. Thank goodness the members of this forum had no say in the matter.

Very pleased with the result. Now let’s put as much energy into sorting out good palliative care and hospice provision for those who
need it.

Allira

MayBee70

And yet Scotland have voted to end greyhound racing. Which is easy to do because there isn’t actually a dog racing track in Scotland. So it sounds good but means nothing. And, whatever ones view of greyhound racing when dogs are sick and in pain they are pts painlessly.

And yet Scotland have voted to end greyhound racing. Which is easy to do because there isn’t actually a dog racing track in Scotland. So it sounds good but means nothing.

Maybee 😁

It does not "mean nothing" this is how it's been misrepresented in the media, and now on here. Maybe dig a little deeper and you'll discover the last greyhound stadium in Scotland closed last year, the owner citing this Bill as the reason for the closure. The Bill ensures this stadium, or any others, will not be able to re-open. Why it's relevant to the Right to Die Bill is rather a stretch. Perhaps open another thread on greyhound racing.

I was just pointing out that they can have a pain free dignified death and we can't. Which makes no sense to me. Plus the fact that the publicity over greyhound racing rather overshadowed and distracted from the assisted dying one.

I didn't know about the greyhound racing until I read it on here, l investigated it as l had no idea the Glasgow stadium had closed let alone the Fife one. I've known about the Right to Die Bill for for two years. I wasn't aware greyhound racing was overshadowing it, where is the greyhound news being promoted?

Social media.

Thanks. Greyhounds may be able to have a "pain free, dignified death" but they don't choose it. That seems the main concern of the people opposed to the Right to Die scenario, that ultimately their death may not be their choice.

OldFrill

Thanks. Greyhounds may be able to have a "pain free, dignified death" but they don't choose it. That seems the main concern of the people opposed to the Right to Die scenario, that ultimately their death may not be their choice.

That about sums it up I guess Oldfrill. Our pets don’t get to decide when to die - we decide for them.

Yes. We don’t let them suffer because we love them.