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Why housing is so expensive

(53 Posts)
M0nica Fri 02-Feb-18 17:29:04

I live in a big village in South Oxfordshire. A plot of land has come up for sale at the edge of the village, on the main road through it . The site is 40 foot wide, 150 foot long. It is the side plot of a row of exceptional dull and unprepossessing cottages whose presence will not enhance any property built on the site.

It is all yours for £220,000

durhamjen Sat 03-Feb-18 10:34:02

www.24housing.co.uk/news/more-than-150000-homes-for-social-rent-lost-in-five-years/

Many of the homes were lost through Right to Buy and have not been replaced.

Chewbacca Sat 03-Feb-18 10:34:24

confused

durhamjen Sat 03-Feb-18 10:38:18

"The minister for housing and regeneration, Rebecca Evans AM, said: “Between 1981 and 2016, over 139,000 local authority and housing association homes were sold off under the Right to Buy.

“We know this has led to many people, including many vulnerable people, waiting longer to access a home that they can afford. This legislation will give social landlords more confidence to invest in new housing, by removing the risk of these homes being sold after only a few years.

“We are committed to creating 20,000 more affordable homes by 2021, and we are supporting social landlords to help us to achieve this.

“We will shortly be publishing more information for tenants which will be circulated by their landlords, to better explain what this Act means for them.

“By protecting the stock of social housing in Wales, we are ensuring it is available for the long term to provide safe, secure and affordable homes for the people of Wales.” "

Wales can do it. Why not England?
The Welsh Assembly knows what affordable housing means.
Why don't you, Annie?

MissAdventure Sat 03-Feb-18 10:39:57

hmm

Anniebach Sat 03-Feb-18 10:40:16

Then a nurse cannot afford to buy a house in some parts of the country

Why is it always nurses ? Are they the only one's who want to buy a house . Do stop those violins please.

durhamjen Sat 03-Feb-18 10:42:52

www.24housing.co.uk/news/first-refusal-for-nhs-staff-where-homes-are-built-on-nhs-land/

It sounded good at the Tory conference, but it isn't happening. They are selling off the land and making houses unaffordable.

durhamjen Sat 03-Feb-18 10:44:10

Do we not need nurses everywhere, Annie?

Anniebach Sat 03-Feb-18 10:44:14

Dj do decide if you are discussing private houses and council houses , I said earlier in this thread we need both. You then go on about what a nurse can afford to buy,

Anniebach Sat 03-Feb-18 10:47:11

We need nurses, carpenters, plumbers, supermarket workers everywhere and they too need houses

durhamjen Sat 03-Feb-18 10:48:34

fullfact.org/economy/housing-getting-less-affordable/

I am actually talking about both, Annie. I don't need to decide.
It's the Tory Right to Buy that has messed up the housing market, everybody but you seems to agree on that.

Instead of just attacking me - as usual - why don't you tell us about the problems with housing policy.

durhamjen Sat 03-Feb-18 10:52:08

However, the NHS has lots of spare land to release, as you would have noticed if you had bothered looking at anything other than the word nurse.

"At conference, Hunt said more than 5,000 new places on nursing training courses are to be created each year as part of government efforts to boost the NHS workforce in England.

A large amount of NHS land is unused, according to a review of NHS property published in March by Sir Robert Naylor, the former chief executive of University College London Hospitals.

His report suggested that unlocking the land for private development would create space for up to 40,000 homes.

Now, that idea has been extended to using the land for building affordable homes for NHS staff – with scope for building affordable housing for the wider community.

The Naylor review said the spare land, worth about £2.7bn, remains unused because there is no incentive for NHS bodies to release the land for development."

Chewbacca Sat 03-Feb-18 10:53:05

Why has this become a personal interrogation by one poster demanding explanations from another? This is the House & Home forum, not News & Politics. hmm

MissAdventure Sat 03-Feb-18 10:54:26

I was wondering exactly the same.

Grannyknot Sat 03-Feb-18 10:55:30

This thread is turning into one of those "get the popcorn" discussions ...

Anniebach Sat 03-Feb-18 11:08:49

Dj, what attack on you? You brought my brothers firm into this, that was personal , I have kept to the topic and said twice we need council houses and privately owned houses, this is the real world . The selling off of council houses cannot be undone .

Apologies to posters but I have to defend myself against personal questions about my family members . My brother is not responsible for the housing problem , he is responsible for paying his workmen every pay day,

durhamjen Sat 03-Feb-18 11:09:51

I am asking Annie because her brother is a house builder and she works for him.
Is she not the ideal person to answer the question posed?

Monica, I presume the cost of the land is so high is because a builder or the owner has already got planning permission for the land. It would be a lot less without it.

Anniebach Sat 03-Feb-18 11:12:17

Be rather silly to buy land without knowing if houses can be built on it.

Anniebach Sat 03-Feb-18 11:14:43

May I just add I work WITH my brother , thank you

durhamjen Sat 03-Feb-18 11:17:33

"A large amount of NHS land is unused, according to a review of NHS property published in March by Sir Robert Naylor, the former chief executive of University College London Hospitals.

His report suggested that unlocking the land for private development would create space for up to 40,000 homes.

Now, that idea has been extended to using the land for building affordable homes for NHS staff – with scope for building affordable housing for the wider community."

MissAdventure Sat 03-Feb-18 11:19:30

Isn't that what used to happen years ago?

Chewbacca Sat 03-Feb-18 11:26:44

I am asking Annie because her brother is a house builder and she works for him. Is she not the ideal person to answer the question?

No. You've been asked, several times, to leave family members out of your remarks and keep to generalised posts.

Nonnie Sat 03-Feb-18 11:32:32

I think it was wrong when selling off council houses that the money could not be ploughed back into building more council houses but think that changed recently.

Something which never seems to be talked about is that if the council sells a house it owned it is still being lived in by the same people but the council no longer has to pay for the upkeep which may save money. I think that to buy your own home under a scheme which makes it affordable must feel like a great achievement and give you pride in that home.

I think that the one way to solve the housing issue is to have more shared ownership homes. That would bridge the gap for many people on lower incomes.

Apart from increased population one of the reasons we need more homes is because of family breakdown, there is far more of that than there used to be.

Perhaps encouraging people to take in lodgers would help? DS did with his first home and it helped him pay his mortgage and save for his next home.

We used to accept that some people would never own their own home, that they would go on the council waiting list, have a couple of children and eventually get a council flat or house. Now we can't accept that and think everyone should have their own home at a young age.

durhamjen Sat 03-Feb-18 11:42:53

Okay, I won't ask Annie any more questions about housing, even though she is the perfect person to ask, as she does the books for her brother's housebuilding company.

Anniebach Sat 03-Feb-18 11:49:05

Yes, I see to his accounts, see to the employees if my brother is on a roof forty miles away and we have men working locally makes sense surely .

The firm builds houses, rents properties , carries out repairs . Still not your business dj .

M0nica Sat 03-Feb-18 17:11:39

dj Before the sale of council houses, one third of the housing stock was in public ownership and rented on secure tenancies mainly to people who could not afford or did not have the income security to buy their own home.

I do not think anything has changed, a third of all households are still unlikely to ever be able to afford to buy their own home and should have the opportunity to obtain a secure long term tenancy, preferably in the public sector.

Nurses have always been in the group that were more likely to be in rented council property rather than buying a property. In fact my aunt held a very senior post in nursing. She was the Senior Nursing Tutor at a big London Hospital in the 1940s and 50s and she lived in the nursing home or with her mother, because she could not afford to buy a property and the building societies then would have been very wary about lending money to a single woman. She became a property owner when she married and bought a house with her DH.