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Should I be a guarantor for my sons mortgage?

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Shinamae Thu 25-Mar-21 10:00:40

I have a feeling I know what I’m going to hear from my gransnet friends about this before I even post it!! The thing is my son has a good job in construction but looking in his price range of 245,000 he is not finding much on the property market.He did find one property but had to pull away when they wouldn’t budge on the “ransom strip”anyway he’s going to get in touch with the mortgage advisor to see if the mortgage offer can increase,if they won’t increase it as I own my own home outright could I be guarantor?he does earn good money as a bricky. My son knows nothing about this he certainly has not asked me to do it......

BlackSheep46 Fri 26-Mar-21 11:06:47

One way is to take equity release to the future value of our son's one third share of your home when you snuff it. He will need to sign a legal form (for the protection of his siblings) to say that he understands that he is receiving this money now an dis OK with paying the interest o the Equity Release as well - albeit in years to come. It's a bit double edged though - the longer you live , the more he will have to pay in interest. Too bad - if he needs help now rathe than when you die off, ER is one solution. do shop around though and do take advice on which company to go with and do read the small print !!
Or yes, you could just stand guarantor for his mortgage if you are sure you could afford that mortgage without having to sell your on home. Only you can do that sum. always look on the WORST side of what food go wrong and what it could cost you. Then do it and forget it. Job done. All safe an all happy. If you can't afford to pay his mortgage then don't say yes !

Shinamae Fri 26-Mar-21 11:13:11

I have decided not to do it as I really could not afford to take over his mortgage. I don’t suppose I really thought it through, just a knee-jerk reaction to try and help but all your advice has really helped me reach a decision and my son knows nothing about this so he’s not going to be disappointed anyway...??

hilz Fri 26-Mar-21 11:23:12

Some life lessons are better learnt than taught. I'm glad you have reached your decision. If thats his budget he can work within that. Its not the price of your house that makes a home.

WhiteRabbit57 Fri 26-Mar-21 11:26:00

No, no, no, no and once again, no.

icanhandthemback Fri 26-Mar-21 11:28:57

There are quite a few First Home schemes out there. My daughter is disabled with a husband on low income and with the new Mortgage Benefit rules, she had to put the equity on her home into a part buy part rent scheme. That might be a better route for your son because he could buy more of the properly as his income went up and he could get a bigger mortgage or sell when he has built up some equity to go it alone.
There are just too many problems that could arise with guaranteeing mortgages for your children. Even buying jointly can end in tears. In terms of you lending money, the bank will consider that as a repayable debt and reduce his mortgage advance so unless you can afford to gift the money, you might not be as helpful as you think. Your son would only have to get Long Covid, slip a disc or break something and his income would really suffer. Do think very carefully.

grandtanteJE65 Fri 26-Mar-21 11:39:51

There are three things you really must consider, here:

Is he your only child? If so, perhaps you can stand guarantor, if not, you really mustn't unless you are so improbably rich that you can do the same for your other children.

Point two, if he cannot keep up his mortgage payments, can you do so, without having to sell your own home?

What happens if you want or need to sell your house, while he has a mortgage, you stood guarantor for, on his?

Run these three points past a solicitor before offering your son help and look into whether your present will covers all the ramifications of this kind of help, too.

4allweknow Fri 26-Mar-21 11:46:53

As guarantor you are giving an undertaking you will be liable for any debt your DS incurs in relation to the mortgage. Eg he misses payments, you will be liable. Your own property will be used as security to ensure you will pay for any default by your son therefore the mortgage lender will place a Charge on your property to ensure you cannot sell it without paying off son's debt. Maybe your DS should look for somewhere cheaper

Hatty05darling Fri 26-Mar-21 11:52:38

Sad to say, I am adding a resounding no but, there are still some reasonable housing initiatives out there with the government lending the purchaser money to give a better deposit! Whatever you do make sure it’s legally sound to all parties but a kindness, unless you can actually afford to lose whatever money you bestow, can become embittered! I know!! Sadly!

MooM00 Fri 26-Mar-21 11:55:00

A bit of a different circumstance here. My Sister agreed to be a guarantor for her Son in law and Daughter for the Sum of a £10,000 loan. This was in early 2018. My Sister lived in a council house and only had a part time job. Things were going smoothly for a few months then in July 2018 my niece was diagnosed at the age of 30 with cancer and died in the November. Her husband couldn’t pay the loan as he was looking after 3 young children my sister was beside herself as she couldn’t pay the loan.Then in March 2019 her Son-in-law had a stroke and died at the age of 31. The loan company still wanted their money back and insisted with lots of letters they still wanted the money back as she was still the guarantor. This made my Sister very ill. She was sadly diagnosed with cancer last June and died in September last year.

cassandra264 Fri 26-Mar-21 11:55:31

Just an additional thought. We are relatively unusual in the UK in promoting home ownership. Other countries in Europe offer a better range of affordable rental properties, and it is not unusual for younger people of working age to rent their family homes while they wish to have more flexibility and choice where employment is concerned.
People do often save, however; and when they know they are not likely to move again, may buy their own homes at this later stage.

We still think of buying our own homes as the ideal, to give us financial security and the chance to leave something to our children. Yet it is still the case that one in four of us may need residential or nursing care in older age; and, if left on our own, will often be expected to use the equity in the house - which we have vacated and will not be able to return to - to help pay for our care.

There are currently moves afoot to try to alter this, as there have been for decades - as it is considered unfair. Those who have never saved - for whatever reason - may have such care paid for by the state - but the change hasn't happened yet.

Pammie1 Fri 26-Mar-21 11:55:37

Can’t offer much in the way of advice, except to say do your homework before you take the plunge because, as you say, this is a can of worms. Friends of ours did this for their son and daughter in law who were first time buyers - both of whom lost their jobs within a few months of each other at the beginning of the first 2020 lockdown. They decided there was not much prospect of finding work, as they both worked in hospitality which has suffered badly. Ended up moving in with parents and the house went on the market. Luckily it sold quickly because mum and dad were responsible for the whole amount of monthly mortgage payments until the sale went through.

I think sometimes there’s a tendency to go ahead without proper consideration because it’s friends or family and the perception is that ‘it’ll probably never happen’ but if the pandemic should have taught us one thing, it’s that the unexpected can bite us in the bum without warning, so caution is needed I think. Could you afford to pay the whole monthly mortgage payment if something happened ? Maybe loaning them the money is a better idea, but could you afford to kiss that goodbye if, for some reason they couldn’t pay it back, or had to delay for a long time ?

Several years ago we were asked by good friends to be guarantors for a small loan they intended to pay back over about 5 years. It was from one of those companies who specialise in lending to people with less than brilliant credit histories, and they required security, which our friends didn’t have at the time. The monthly payments weren’t massive, but it would only have taken a moderate change in our finances to make things difficult. After reading through the paperwork and looking at not only the astronomical interest rate, but the penalties for late and missed payments we were horrified and had absolutely no compunction about saying no immediately. It put a strain on the friendship for a while, but not long afterwards they split up and the divorce was made all the more bitter by the fact that they had several loans to divide up and pay back. We were so glad we hadn’t got involved in the end, so don’t be afraid to say no - your son will have to learn to live within his means, so better to start now.

Helenlouise3 Fri 26-Mar-21 11:57:47

As guarantor, you would be expected to make all his mortgage payments if he's unable to do so. Can you afford to do that and can you guarantee that this will be the case for the forseeable future. If for example your son loses his job, he could be out of work for a considerable time. Personally I wouldn't do it as it's opening up a can of worms and could possible ruin your relationship with your son.

Tooyoungytobeagrandma Fri 26-Mar-21 12:02:38

No!

Shinamae Fri 26-Mar-21 12:04:55

Shinamae

I have decided not to do it as I really could not afford to take over his mortgage. I don’t suppose I really thought it through, just a knee-jerk reaction to try and help but all your advice has really helped me reach a decision and my son knows nothing about this so he’s not going to be disappointed anyway...??

Update...

Shinamae Fri 26-Mar-21 12:07:52

MooM00

A bit of a different circumstance here. My Sister agreed to be a guarantor for her Son in law and Daughter for the Sum of a £10,000 loan. This was in early 2018. My Sister lived in a council house and only had a part time job. Things were going smoothly for a few months then in July 2018 my niece was diagnosed at the age of 30 with cancer and died in the November. Her husband couldn’t pay the loan as he was looking after 3 young children my sister was beside herself as she couldn’t pay the loan.Then in March 2019 her Son-in-law had a stroke and died at the age of 31. The loan company still wanted their money back and insisted with lots of letters they still wanted the money back as she was still the guarantor. This made my Sister very ill. She was sadly diagnosed with cancer last June and died in September last year.

So sorry to hear that, what an absolute tragedy...???

Mauriherb Fri 26-Mar-21 12:08:13

There are many help to buy schemes. I'm not entirely sure how they work but I believe that you basically own half the property and rent the other half. This enables people to buy a property which might be beyond their price range.

MollyAA12 Fri 26-Mar-21 12:08:18

No no no

Buffybee Fri 26-Mar-21 12:10:12

Thank goodness you’re not doing it Shinamae.
What I would suggest for your son as he needs to stay in that area, is wait for something that needs quite a lot of work on it, or a smaller house with room to extend, as he is a builder.
I’ve helped my family out with house buying but no way would I guarantor or put my home at risk.

Shinamae Fri 26-Mar-21 12:14:52

Yes BB, that is actually what my son would prefer, a property to do up..... it’s probably more me that wants to get on with it I think he is quite happy to wait...?‍♀️

Mealybug Fri 26-Mar-21 12:17:37

I wouldn't do it and put my own home and income at risk. If he's a bricky I'm sure he has lots of building mates who could help him renovate a run down property which would probably be in his price range.

ss1024 Fri 26-Mar-21 12:19:43

I guaranteed my son's mortgage and as soon as he was able to earn enough to qualify for one on his own, he refinanced. We were financially secure to be able to do this. We live in one of the most expensive regions in the U.S., and it is very difficult for young people to purchase a home here and rents are very high. Our thinking was that it is best for him to invest in a home rather than rent.

NotSpaghetti Fri 26-Mar-21 12:21:53

Icanhandthemback is correct. If you move money to him now it will look like a loan and will mean his mortgage offer is likely to be reduced.

We gifted one of our daughters £2,000 at one point when she was about to move, have a new baby and needed a car in the same month... but if was noticed on her bank statement and we had to provide her mortgage company with a signed affidavit to the effect that it was a gift not a loan!
I know it's a good sum for many of us as a gift but in terms of buying a house it's not a great deal!

Shinamae Fri 26-Mar-21 12:28:31

NotSpaghetti

Icanhandthemback is correct. If you move money to him now it will look like a loan and will mean his mortgage offer is likely to be reduced.

We gifted one of our daughters £2,000 at one point when she was about to move, have a new baby and needed a car in the same month... but if was noticed on her bank statement and we had to provide her mortgage company with a signed affidavit to the effect that it was a gift not a loan!
I know it's a good sum for many of us as a gift but in terms of buying a house it's not a great deal!

Good grief, I had no idea ?‍♀️?‍♀️?‍♀️?‍♀️

Jillybird Fri 26-Mar-21 12:35:23

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

katy1950 Fri 26-Mar-21 12:42:53

I would say sorry but no we are in a terrible mess after doing something similar our son changed completely when he met his new partner she turned him against all his family and we ended up losing our home so please don't do it